Was told of a 64 Beaumont 409 1 off in B.C.

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Was told of a 64 Beaumont 409 1 off in B.C.

65sssd · Poncho Master!

It would be neat if it was dealer installed. Not a production car but a nice combo. Last year of the 409's

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Well when it comes to Oshawa I've learnt to never say never (except when it comes to putting 396s into GTOs wink

) so I guess we will just have to wait and see. It will come to down to the VIN, the data plate and what Vintage Vehicle Services says.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Any chance of contacting this guy again and at least getting a VIN? Can you imagine if this is legit??

tmfbi69 · Veteran Member

One of my buddies has a 65 impala with a 409 the car is not a 9er car originaly but he found out there were 8oo cars made,otherwise 396 or sbc.
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67Poncho · Uber Guru

If we say, "Mr. Z", all the same time, do you think he would hear us and possibly give us a "round about" answer?????? biggrin

Speaking of this, and I have to get the story again, had an older gentleman brother of a friend who was quite serious about a story of his friend having a '66 full size Pontiac or Chev with a factory ordered 409 installed in it? When I stated it must have been a 396, hoo boy, his voice raised about 6 notches and said in no uncertain terms that it WAS a 409!!!

I will try and get the full story again... What do you guys think???

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Sunday 2nd of August 2009 09:49:57 PM

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

69Laurentian wrote:

Any chance of contacting this guy again and at least getting a VIN? Can you imagine if this is legit??

I've got his name and could probably get in touch with him by email at their shop. The car is outside of Vancouver so I don't think he gets out that way very often. As I mentioned he had last seen it 4 years ago. I'm a bit swamped right now but will try pursue it in the next couple of weeks.

65deluxe · Addicted!

Maximum 400 horsepower in '65 409. I'll take mine in a 2 door Biscayne thank you.

65sssd · Poncho Master!

If it makes you feel better I have a line on a L-78 65 SD.

da66 · Addicted!

If you are willing to release his name I have another friend who is one of the top parts guys there. I can find out what kind of person you were talking to (Starved for attention) or maybe there is some truth to this

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

67Poncho wrote:

Speaking of this, and I have to get the story again, had an older gentleman brother of a friend who was quite serious about a story of his friend having a '66 full size Pontiac or Chev with a factory ordered 409 installed in it? When I stated it must have been a 396, hoo boy, his voice raised about 6 notches and said in no uncertain terms that it WAS a 409!!!

I will try and get the full story again... What do you guys think???

Based on everything we have discussed and upturned on this site in the past year I am willing to say no way on this one. Even George Z chimmed in on the 396 question in '65 Pontiacs and we know that never happend now. We even have a line on what we think might be one of the last 409 Installations in Oshawa and that is in a '65 Custom Sport.

409 Beaumont ? We have recently recieved some interesting facts from well placed sources like small block powered Firebirds for one. Could be another CKD job but I doubt it. The big reason for me is because the A body small blocks never used rams horn exhaust manifolds. All A bodies have manifolds which exit at the rear because the frame cross member does not allow a straight down exhaust outlets. The 409 and 348's used a manifold similar to the rams horn and although they might build one car a certain way there is no way they cast one pair of exhaust manifolds for a special order Canadian Car. JMHO.

W SERIES Exhaust manifold for full sized cars and trucks.
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Rams Horn Small Block manifolds, Full sized cars, Corvettes, Pickups, Suburbans
Rams horn.jpg

A Body exhaust maniufolds from 1964 on up
64 A body exhaust.jpg

-- Edited by 73SC on Tuesday 4th of August 2009 04:52:01 PM

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

73SC wrote:

67Poncho wrote:

Speaking of this, and I have to get the story again, had an older gentleman brother of a friend who was quite serious about a story of his friend having a '66 full size Pontiac or Chev with a factory ordered 409 installed in it? When I stated it must have been a 396, hoo boy, his voice raised about 6 notches and said in no uncertain terms that it WAS a 409!!!

I will try and get the full story again... What do you guys think???

Based on everything we have discussed and upturned on this site in the past year I am willing to say no way on this one. Even George Z chimmed in on the 396 question in '65 Pontiacs and we know that never happend now. We even have a line on what we think might be one of the last 409 Installations in Oshawa and that is in a '65 Custom Sport.

409 Beaumont ? We have recently recieved some interesting facts from well placed sources like small block powered Firebirds for one. Could be another CKD job but I doubt it. The big reason for me is because the A body small blocks never used rams horn exhaust manifolds. All A bodies have manifolds which exit at the rear because the frame cross member does not allow a straight down exhaust outlets. The 409 and 348's used a manifold similar to the rams horn and although they might build one car a certain way there is no way they cast one pair of exhaust manifolds for a special order Canadian Car. JMHO.

W SERIES Exhaust manifold for full sized cars and trucks.

Rams Horn Small Block manifolds, Full sized cars, Corvettes, Pickups, Suburbans

A Body exhaust maniufolds from 1964 on up

-- Edited by 73SC on Tuesday 4th of August 2009 04:52:01 PM

The exhaust scenerio would be one of a few things they'd have to work around but it was the paperwork that made me think there may be a chance. You just never know in these plants when different personel are involved what kind of challenge they will take on. One of my best friends was one of the engineers with Western Star when the;y were still in Kelowna. Quite a percentage of their trucks were custom ordered and involved the obvious choices of powertrain, frame lengths, color, interior, 4x4, and so on but I remember them doing stuff in the mid 70's for guys that was quite radical. Alot of it depended on the people that were in charge at that time and how busy they were in the following months. I'm definetely not holding my breath or putting any money on it but I did email him for a duplicate of the paperwork. We'll see if anything happens or if it will dissappear with the smoke.

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

da66 wrote:

If you are willing to release his name I have another friend who is one of the top parts guys there. I can find out what kind of person you were talking to (Starved for attention) or maybe there is some truth to this

No problem, his name is Marcel Smutek. See what you can find out.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

jmont64 wrote:
I'm definetely not holding my breath or putting any money on it but I did email him for a duplicate of the paperwork. We'll see if anything happens or if it will dissappear with the smoke.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm hoping it turns out to be true as well. It is just a lot different than a 427 showing up in say a 67 Beuamont if you get my thinking, at least a 396 was available so not a huge stretch. Same as Jim Wangers pulled with the 64 Tempest/GTO, 326 to 389 no biggy since blocks are same then he even dupped the Road and Track guys with a 421 which is basically the same block again.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

67Poncho wrote:

If we say, "Mr. Z", all the same time, do you think he would hear us and possibly give us a "round about" answer??????

Speaking of this, and I have to get the story again, had an older gentleman brother of a friend who was quite serious about a story of his friend having a '66 full size Pontiac or Chev with a factory ordered 409 installed in it? When I stated it must have been a 396, hoo boy, his voice raised about 6 notches and said in no uncertain terms that it WAS a 409!!!

I will try and get the full story again... What do you guys think???

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Sunday 2nd of August 2009 09:49:57 PM

probably right with the cubes, wrong with the year (they look similar) 65-watch him raise his voice 12 notches

My Dad says his neighbour bought a new 57 chev with a 327 4bbl !!! I think it was a few years yet before you could get that.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

.. and I talked to the owner of a 55 Pontiac a few weeks ago who told me it had the original 283, Hmmm two full years before the 283 was produced, NOT, it was a 265 if it was original.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

It would be fun to see such a thing documented all right but I'm afraid I'm with the skeptics on this one.

65Camino · Uber Guru

She's real fine if it 's a real 409!

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

I look forward to the GM Canada paperwork if it happens but vote no way it'll show the W-Motor in an A-Body combination..

I do know GM Engineering had a W-Motor 'Vette but would doubt the subject car is something built beyond available RPO's w/ a W-Motor by Engineering either?.

Although highly unlikely, this car turning out to be a '65 w/ a Z16 or other Mk1V piece may be more of a possibility...especially considering the genuine '65 Chevelle Post car that was built!?

Besides factory built cars, the chances of a W-Motor being put into the car in earlier years is possible?. By an individual or dealer, who knows but being in BC I suppose we shouldn't count the Conroy possibility out either?.

Cool subject though!.
Regardless of the outcome here I hope something real in a '65 Beaumont Mk1V shows up someday!.

-- Edited by Ghost Post on Wednesday 5th of August 2009 10:30:07 AM

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

just read this old thread,,nothing ever came of it??

I have a similiar story, a friend bought a 64 Nova with a 409,,, I heard all about before seeing it , of course it was not the original to the car, it had a drop axle and vinyl metallic interior .... 60's hot rod !

so the story had grown by the time I went and to see it ,,

YES it was a 409..a punched out 396 BBC !! BUT anyone who talked about the car called it a 409 !!

87 player bird · Poncho Master!

You never know, Don Garlits has the only factory 4 door 426 hemi ever built in his museum, so you never know.

since 1983 · Poncho Master!

my impression is more on the : dealer installed ; side

would oshawa throw only one 409 in a Beaumont and then........ok back to the small blocks for the rest of the shift guys

but i have a question ???? was 65 the first year for the 396 in SD or was it 66

if it was 65 they where probably as rare as Z 16 Chevelles

-- Edited by since 1983 on Tuesday 20th of April 2010 08:52:28 PM

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

i though GM mid sized cars couldnt go above 400 cubes until 1970?

thus Copo cars

66 is the first year for 396 in Beaumont

-- Edited by 68sd on Wednesday 21st of April 2010 08:49:04 PM

kelico · Poncho Master!

65 was the first year for the 396.. and it would be a Z16 equivalent for sure.

would love to see something like that.

An L78 beaumont would be INCREDIBLE!!!!

since 1983 · Poncho Master!

never saw or heard of one

probably rarer than a Z16

so is it 65 or 66 first year of the big block Beaumonts ??