'66 SD convertible, #'s matching 327 VS '67 SD convertible, #'s matching 396

03cts sport · Uber Guru

'66 SD convertible, #'s matching 327 VS '67 SD convertible, #'s matching 396

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

My thoughts are 50% more, possibly even greater than that on the right day.

eeluddy · Uber Guru

Carl Stevenson wrote:
My thoughts are 50% more, possibly even greater than that on the right day.

Your probably right Carl, but I can't understand why. I do like the 67's more myself. A high performance 327 with the right setup and transmission will run with a 396 all day.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

I guess it all depends on real numbers, i.e., what are the actual asking prices.
Are they drivers, projects, fully restored? I think the amount of the percentage premium will vary with condition. With fully restored cars, I think it would be less, say 25-30% whereas with projects it could be 50%. One thing for sure, the 67 would be much more desireable because of a) the BB, and b) the THM. The 66 would only have a glide, not as desireable for most people.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I'm with you totally Earl. I was tempted to put a long winded statement about that but my posts normally wander so badly I figured I better stick with the question!!!

For years I have been a diehard big block guy but that goes hand in hand with my love of B bodies. In a Beaumont or Acadian a 327 is just fine...

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Monday 21st of December 2009 01:08:46 PM

cheetah 427 · Poncho Master!

my mom has a sb in her beaumont lol just kidding its a bb lol bb is always on top for collectabiliuty, but if the car was in the same shape i would take the bb 66 or 67 , the 66 bb is the best sleeper.

03cts sport · Uber Guru

cheetah 427 wrote:

my mom has a sb in her beaumont lol just kidding its a bb lol bb is always on top for collectabiliuty, but if the car was in the same shape i would take the bb 66 or 67 , the 66 bb is the best sleeper.

Haaaa! Nothing like a little BB vs SB trash talk!
Any thoughts re a % applied to the extra appeal?...

PS The knock out punch was the "...just kidding, she has a BB" Haaaa!

-- Edited by 03cts sport on Monday 21st of December 2009 02:49:23 PM

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Big Block

50% more for sure .....

ak 67sd · Poncho Master!

i would say 50%+ in that scenario....($30k vs. $50k)

I would think that values flows up with 67 vs 66, and up with a bbc vs sbc and up if it has a 4speed vs AT, up for buckets vs. bench and up again if it has a desirable colour combo... this being all things equal (i.e. condition between the comparables)...

build quality plays a big factor (condition and completeness for projects), along with desirability... if you have a very well built car, one of the best of the best, there will generally be a buyer for it, but probably a few more buyers for a 67 than a 66...but both will sell well and at a similar price (if both the same, i.e. bbc, 4sp).

Most cars aren't in that 1% of the top, so then year and desirability play a big factor in the balance of the nice drivers out there... another good example is the 70-72 chevelles, where 70 is the top dawg by far...

ak

p.s. does this mean you want to sell me your 66 so you can go after daves 67??? biggrin

03cts sport · Uber Guru

eeluddy wrote:

Carl Stevenson wrote:
My thoughts are 50% more, possibly even greater than that on the right day.
Your probably right Carl, but I can't understand why. I do like the 67's more myself. A high performance 327 with the right setup and transmission will run with a 396 all day.

Interesting points. Although my 327 is not high performance, it's 275hp rating is only 50hp less that the 325hp 396. (Although I'm sure the torque also plays a large part?) I'm guessing more "upside" in hp opportunity with a 396?...

cheetah 427 · Poncho Master!

but that is because of the ls6 top of the heep, nothing compares to a ls6 450 hp lol more like 550 hp

03cts sport · Uber Guru

ak 67sd wrote:

p.s. does this mean you want to sell me your 66 so you can go after daves 67???

Can't help but think about it.

Taking into account:
-I've never owned a BB
-Luv the BB hood, but don't feel right putting it on the '66 327
-A little tired of the power glide (an extra gear would be nice)
-Considering the expected better resale value
-Something about a Canada Red 67 Canadian car.

Reservations re:
-The price difference between what I can get for mine and what Dave is understandably asking for his
-A lot of history with the '66
-327 has been a good engine (and seems to be almost as rare find in a 66 convertible SD as a 396, albiet not as desireable.)
-Our little gals would not be impressed if I sold the "squeaky blue car"
-Ontario car vs Alta car. (Not a factor if the car has not been driven in the winter though.)
-Bad timing to run this one by the Mrs.

Therefore, having a tough time justifying the upgrade. (It's not like there hasn't been ample time though re the sale of the 67.)

Any thoughts on my rationale?

ak 67sd · Poncho Master!

I do think that if someone is going to do a frame off nut and bolt resto, they might as well start with the best car they can (or the one they love!) because the cost of work is relatively the same...

restoring an LS6 is bit different, where #'s come into play and people spend thousands on a distributor! ...and ironically, there are more 'documented' LS6 cars than there were produced!hahaha!!

A bbc car has an 'aura' around it as a muscle car, save for z28 camaros maybe, a 396 has no more (arguably less potential) than a 327 or 350... its value comes in being an original bbc car, and ideally a #s car... if you want engine potential then you have to get into cubic inches... 454+...

now consider this oxymoron Geoff, "the more they are worth, the less they sell for"...now i just made that up, but it has me thinking... a rotten project convertible $6k? a decent plain jain project -needed a motor to drive and needs full resto but driveable $12k? the black shell of an SD that sold on ebay just a shell for $12k!, the plain convert in BC $16-18k, the yellow plain one with the bbc in it CA $21k, Loud briefly put his car on the market at $25k (a real sbc sd with non-orig motor), a beautful clone bbc SD in vancouver for $26-29k, daves utra-rare #s real SD car $25k... you can't turn the first car into the second car for the difference in price...and so on up the line.... all the cars I've listed are 67 convertibles that have sold recently or are for sale, each one has a point of diminishing returns...

I would sure like to see some of these cars for sale in person!

not sure what to think anymore? i'm going to keep kicking tires, i'm in a position to make a move if i really get swayed by any of these cars.... just not sure if i really 'need' another one to take the limited driving time i have now with my 67... but i can say, history and love for a car mean the most to me... my car will never be for sale, i had it for more than half my existence on earth...i built it with my dad and i'd live in it before i sold it.

ak

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

-Luv the BB hood, but don't feel right putting it on the '66 327

-Bad timing to run this one by the Mrs.

Any thoughts on my rationale?

You sound very sane to me You are respectfull of Mrs !!

but get over the hood

its a hood! and BB hood will make car feel supreme!
Go for it (the hood )

-- Edited by 427carl on Monday 21st of December 2009 08:18:42 PM

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

a lot of good points-value is in the eye of the beholder

5 star collector car has always been big block, 4-speed, convertible anything, premiums are multi carbs and solid lifters.

I've had both big and small blocks many times over-the grass is always greener on the other side.

I had a big block 66 Corvette coupe which was awesome-I later had a small block 65 coupe which I liked better

my first real muscle was a 454 auto corvette-I love big blocks-but I'd have to say honestly you'll be just as happy with what you have-the 396/325 gets you torque but its no power house doesn't sound much stronger than a 283 until you modify- The big block is the legend agreed-I tell people to buy a quality hobby car-if you've owned yours for 28 years you know what you have.

Hillar is very correct in his points about value/condition

bottom line its worth what one will pay-lower end has more market and is generally more valuable porpotionally due to demand. Same like housing once the price doubles you lose 90% of the buyers-

03cts sport · Uber Guru

All of these thoughts are much appreciated. Historically I have always seemed to hang on to my vehicles, often for too long, but in the case of my '66 I'm glad I have.
A BB hood and a 4 speed auto are certainly do-able, and that would adress a couple of the items. Interesting comment re the 396/325 not being a heck of a lot stronger. And I certainly do "know" the car, scars and all.
Funny, I was just watching an episode of Hot Rod TV that I had recorded. It was the Jay Leno episode. In it he drives his first "hot rod" and says "there's something cool about driving a car that you've owned for 30 years". Maybe that's a sign?...

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

another interesting point you should consider is I often see people quoting "rare" you do know a 66 SD ragtop is rare ?? I believe production numbers around 60 built or so ? 565 convertibles in 66 but but around 60 were SD's-

03cts sport · Uber Guru

67BBSD wrote:

another interesting point you should consider is I often see people quoting "rare" you do know a 66 SD ragtop is rare ?? I believe production numbers around 60 built or so ? 565 convertibles in 66 but but around 60 were SD's-

Yeah, I think this site estimates:
- sixty-eight of the '66 8 cyl SD Convertibles
- sixty-six of the '67 8 cyl SD Convertible.

I assume that both of these numbers include 283's, 327's, and 396's?...

PS I have yet to see another '66 SD convertible with an original 327. I'm sure they're out there, but I haven't seen one...

-- Edited by 03cts sport on Tuesday 22nd of December 2009 08:53:08 PM

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

03cts sport wrote:

67BBSD wrote:

another interesting point you should consider is I often see people quoting "rare" you do know a 66 SD ragtop is rare ?? I believe production numbers around 60 built or so ? 565 convertibles in 66 but but around 60 were SD's-

Yeah, I think this site estimates:
- sixty-eight of the '66 8 cyl SD Convertibles
- sixty-six of the '67 8 cyl SD Convertible.
I assume that both of these numbers include 283's, 327's, and 396's?...

PS I have yet to see another '66 SD convertible with an original 327. I'm sure they're out there, but I haven't seen one...

-- Edited by 03cts sport on Tuesday 22nd of December 2009 08:53:08 PM

the 1967 model year production numbers include only v.i.n.'s starting in sequence 738 meaning Sport Deluxe model only available with a 396 engine-L35 396/325 hp was the base engine with a L34 396/50 hp as an option-there were also 736 v.i.n. sequence Sport Deluxe models built in convertibles for the first part of the year available with all engine options (except L35 we believe)

the 1966 model year production numbers are for ALL Sport Deluxe convertibles with all engine options-it is not specific to engine size.

Don't not fear-you have a rare car

yes Big Blocks are very desirable but don't cut yourself short.

03cts sport · Uber Guru

Thx for the info. A BB hood, a four (or five) speed auto trannie upgrade, a splash of paint, some new covers for the seats, and it's good to go!
At the very least, I've got to get the seats done over the winter. Once I do that and install the new (old) steering wheel and the new TA's to replace the 22 year old rubber, she will look 5 years younger.
Thanks again all, for the feedback!