Yeah, I'm bored....... 80's pics

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Yeah, I'm bored....... 80's pics

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Those were the days!

I spent the 80s scrounging through local car dumps (in our area they were usually found in the woods near secondary roads where they were deposited before being crushed). Of course, they are all gone now but I got a lot of useful 60s & 70s parts back in those days; and also left a lot of valuable suff behind (e.g. 69 Parisienne Safari wagon with 350/300, 12 bolt, disk brakes, completely intact and completely rusted out; never took a single part from it).

In terms of swap meets, the only one I went to in the 80s was Barrie - when there was still lots to be had there. Most of the time I had to carry or ship parts home in an airplane, but one year I bought a 63 Grand Prix there and drove home with a trunkload of parts and beer (beer strike at home at the time). On another occasion, I drove a 63 Impala to Barrie, sold it, bought a 68 Impala and drove home with a another trunk full of parts.

Those were the days ...

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

One of the years just before I was married I made 5 trips to Nebraska (about 650 miles) to go wrecking and to swap meets. I have a friend there who always came up with a new yard I needed to go to, or told me about a good swap meet. I pretty much funded my car hobby doing that.

SO much fun scouring the yards...

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

On the particular trip pictured, one of the yards we went into had a 69 Chevelle SS. I got the tach and gauges with harness for 20 bucks. I couldn't believe my good luck!

Next yard we went to had a rolled 69 Malibu stick car with the roof pushed in pretty good. Guess what? Tach and gauges with harness! 10 bucks!!!

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

its OK to flip parts but not cars ?

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Sorry, I am not understanding the question. Is it for me or gparis7? If it's for me, I am missing it....?

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

inside joke??

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Sorry, I am not understanding the question. Is it for me or gparis7? If it's for me, I am missing it....?

Sorry Carl-no offense-I just often see negative comments on this site when it appears someone has purchased a vehicle for profit (flip) ie: Lemans GT-70 Pontiac etc... yet it is always hyped when someone scores parts-I can appreciate the "supported my car hobby " comment.

I think its great you were able to drag this stuff out of junk yards and get it out there to to the hobby by marketing it correctly kinda the same as those few cars we've seen.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

You and I think the same way Ken, I would say. An undiscovered part in a wrecking yard is not only a treasure, but a saved treasure that could certainly have gone undiscovered and been crushed.

Two people gain when it is found, the finder and the end user. My basement is full of parts that I'm the "end user" on and it has seen many parts over the years with me being the finder.

I willingly pay retail price/current market value when I want a part. I may be cheap, and love a wrecking yard find, but when I wanted my 65 Acadian factory 4 speed console, I paid retail and had a big smile on my face to boot! It's close to impossible to find one of those.

For the record, I think I got around $150 for each of those Chevelle clusters and in each case, the buyer was delighted for the find!

A part is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you have an upper moulding for my 65 Canso Sport Deluxe in nice shape, I will likely pay more for it than anyone else, cause mine isn't great. On the other hand, if a guy is selling one from the car in his wrecking yard, he is most likely tickled to death thinking he hosed me at 100 bucks for that same moulding. In either case, all parties involved are happy/thrilled.

I don't understand the thinking that is contrary to this.

Oh, and for the record, that aluminum intake by the carb I bought thinking it was from a big block Corvette. Tried a 427 intake gasket on it, no fit. Tried a 409 intake gasket on it, no fit. Not a small block but certainly a GM factory intake.

Any guesses yet what it's for?

ak 67sd · Poncho Master!

I flipped a house a while back... painted it up, refinished the hardwoods.... made some money!!!!

sorry, i had to get that off my chest....

ak

? Truck intake? did they ever come aluminum? is it oval or square port?

-- Edited by ak 67sd on Monday 4th of January 2010 10:42:38 PM

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

You and I think the same way Ken, I would say. An undiscovered part in a wrecking yard is not only a treasure, but a saved treasure that could certainly have gone undiscovered and been crushed.

Two people gain when it is found, the finder and the end user. My basement is full of parts that I'm the "end user" on and it has seen many parts over the years with me being the finder.

I willingly pay retail price/current market value when I want a part. I may be cheap, and love a wrecking yard find, but when I wanted my 65 Acadian factory 4 speed console, I paid retail and had a big smile on my face to boot! It's close to impossible to find one of those.

For the record, I think I got around $150 for each of those Chevelle clusters and in each case, the buyer was delighted for the find!

A part is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If you have an upper moulding for my 65 Canso Sport Deluxe in nice shape, I will likely pay more for it than anyone else, cause mine isn't great. On the other hand, if a guy is selling one from the car in his wrecking yard, he is most likely tickled to death thinking he hosed me at 100 bucks for that same moulding. In either case, all parties involved are happy/thrilled.

I don't understand the thinking that is contrary to this.

Oh, and for the record, that aluminum intake by the carb I bought thinking it was from a big block Corvette. Tried a 427 intake gasket on it, no fit. Tried a 409 intake gasket on it, no fit. Not a small block but certainly a GM factory intake.

Any guesses yet what it's for?

thanks Carl-I've often "over paid" too the market will catch up-its a great hobby, we all have our ways of supporting it-if it helps someone else thats great to.

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

Is the GM Intake Oldsmobile,Pontiac or Buick?

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

ak 67sd wrote:

I flipped a house a while back... painted it up, refinished the hardwoods.... made some money!!!!

sorry, i had to get that off my chest....

ak

? Truck intake? did they ever come aluminum? is it oval or square port?

-- Edited by ak 67sd on Monday 4th of January 2010 10:42:38 PM

thats great !

thats how you'll get ahead ! bet you'll drive the economy with the profit too

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

The intake is Chevrolet.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

A picture of it really won't help a lot. Knowing it's not for a Mark IV, a 409/348 or any small block narrows it down pretty much......

For you really knowledgeable guys, I will give you a great clue.

The casting number looks like a normal GM casting, 7 digits except the first digit is a zero.

Beaumont4008 · Uber Guru

Your killing me Carl !!! I can not figure it out, could it be a intake of the mkII 427 nascar mystery engines ?

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

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4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Beaumont4008 wrote:

Your killing me Carl !!! I can not figure it out, could it be a intake of the mkII 427 nascar mystery engines ?

Bingo!

I paid 50 bucks for an aluminum intake thinking it was Mark IV. Got it home, nuh-uh!

As a shot in the dark I called a guy in Michigan who has Mystery Motor stuff. He told me what to look for, meausurements, etc and sure enough.

My Nebraska friend paid me 500 dollars for it to have bragging rights. He's a big 409 guy. I made him promise he had to keep it, not resell it. As a joke, every time I go there the first thing I do when I get there is say "show me that intake"!

Who ever dreamed that a Mystery Motor intake would end up in Morris Manitoba of all places???

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I should add, the guy in Michigan seemed quite knowledgeable. He told me one way to narrow it down was the zero as a first digit on the casting #. Apparently all GM experimental stuff is cast with a zero first.

Remember, this was in the 80's. No internet, expensive long distance calls. It was quite a deal to find people, call them and correspond so sorting it out took a while. Pictures actually had to travel by mail!!!

Beaumont4008 · Uber Guru

Wow !!! Great story and a nice investment for 50 bucks. That thing belongs in a museum. Now if you can find the rest of the engine.

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Carl, awesome story, do you think back and try to remember what else was at that swap meet?? It's amazing that those parts where out there..according to GM ....read below.

thanks for sharing that !

427CI Mystery Big-Block Chevy Engine 1963
Tom McIntyre, Burbank, CA
Sometimes the most innocent-appearing engines hide a rich, secretive past if you bother to look a little deeper. The prototype for the now-famous Mark IV big-block Chevy was the Mark II that debuted in February 1963 when GM bolted its revolutionary powerplant into Junior Johnson's '63 NASCAR stock car (among several others) for the Daytona 500. The story goes that 50 engines were built to take on the 421 Pontiacs, 427 Fords, and 426ci Max Wedge Mopars. Johnson won the pole and was leading the race when the engine expired. Eventually, all the other Mark II-powered Chevrolets retired as well for various reasons. As the tale goes, GM rounded up all the engines, but Smokey Yunick kept the engine seen here and later sold it at auction to vintage racer and entrepreneur Tom McIntyre. The Daytona effort served as solid development work that contributed to the eventual debut of the now-famous 396ci Mark IV engines that appeared in '65-and-later fullsize cars, the Chevelle Z-16, and some Corvettes.

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/1567897-427-mystery-motor-history.html

This has turned into a very nice discussion with many good contributions..... here are a few factoids from the Drag Racer article on the 427 Mystery Motor...

The Mystery Motor that was photographed for the article (there are
pics of the casting numbers) caries a casting number of
0-217199.... the "0" denotes a pre production casting.
Also cast in the block is 9-13-62... the date of Sept 13, 1962 in standard short abreviated form.... which is the date the block was cast.

Each head is 25 lbs lighter than it's Big Block Mark IV
brother.

In a pre Daytona dyno test.. the 427 Myster Motor made 620 hp
with a single Holley on a 180 degree high rise aluminum manifold.

The Valves on the Mystery Motors heads were 2.19 Int and 1.72 Ex.
Chambers were very similar to the 65 to 70 Mark IV closed wedge
type heads. The heads were dubbed by early writers as "Porcupine"
heads but were officially called "Canted Valve" heads. Pop up pistons
gave the Mystery Motor a 12.4:1 compression ratio before milling.

The stroke was 3.65 inches and the rocker ratio was 1.75:1.

The Mystery Motor was said to be GM's test bed for screw in rocker
studs.

It is believed by Mystery Motor experts that 18 engines were produced by GM.

There were 4 different intake manifolds developed for the engine..
all were 180 degree design. Smokey Yunick stated the best of the
4 designs was casting number 0-232166.

The 12.4:1 pistons are listed as part # 0-233239

Here are the head flow cfm numbers provided by Valley Head Service
tested a 28 inches.
LIFT..........INT..........EXH
.100..........73.2.........73.2
.200..........122.4.......122.4
.300..........234.0.......147.5
.400..........277.8.......177.4
.500..........300.8.......196.2
.600..........328.0.......210.3
.700..........341.2.......221.0

The Exhaust ports were round... cast iron exahaust manifolds had
2inch primaries and were 33 inches long... they dumped into a
4 inch diameter 26 inch long collector.

All information listed above came from Drag Racer Magazine-
July of 2006.. Volume 10, No.4 pp 60-67... web address is
http://www.dragracermag.com

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

rabbit64cs wrote:

There were 4 different intake manifolds developed for the engine..
all were 180 degree design. Smokey Yunick stated the best of the
4 designs was casting number 0-232166.

Very interesting stuff.

Carl, I wonder if your old intake is one of the best ones?

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Boy, I can't recall. Guess I have an excuse to go to Nebraska again for a visit!