1965 pontiacs are 409 cars

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1965 pontiacs are 409 cars

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

the only info ive ever seen for 1965 was
74 65 Custom Sport 2 door sport coupes and convertibles with L33 (340 horse) 409's

-- Edited by 68sd on Wednesday 13th of January 2010 10:04:00 AM

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

as for 1964 all we have seen for info is

15 -409 4 speed cars produced
Less than 45 with L33 409/340 & M35 PG

1 Parisienne Wagon with L31 400hp 409

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

heres the american Chevy production figures

Production of 409 equipped cars:

1961-142
1962-15,019
1963-16,902
1964-8,864
1965-2,828 (2,086 340hp/742 400hp)

43,755 409 engines were produced from 1961-1965.
These totals do not include trucks

-- Edited by 68sd on Wednesday 13th of January 2010 10:08:47 AM

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

There should be a few left then eh?

65wagon · Poncho Master!

is thier any breakdown as to 409s in the different models

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Other than the number above for 65 Custom Sports i don't know any for 1965.

For 1964 a fellow named Aubrey Bruneau who is said to be an expert on 409 Pontiacs had posted these numbers:
"\11-18-07

No serial numbers on engine pads in Canadian cars, Don. As has been mentioned here in Chevy Talk a few times... GM Vintage Vehicle Services in Oshawa, will provide a basic build sheet on most of the Canadian built GM cars from mid 50's, up. Yes, engine size is included, along with how many of that particular model were produced. Case in point would be the info on my 62 BelAir sport coupe, style 1537 ( 6 cyl model )...2045

style 1637 ( V8 model )...710

Here are some Canadian 409 car production figures that I know of:

1964 SS HT, 425HP... 17 were built in Canada
1964 Custom Sport HT, 400 / 425 HP... 10
1964 Custom Sport HT, 340HP 4 spd... 15
1964 Custom Sport conv, 340HP 4 spd... 8
1964 Custom Sport HT, 340HP auto... 30
1964 Custom Sport conv, 340HP auto... 10
1964 Parisienne Safari, 400HP... 1
1964 Laurentian Safari, 400HP... 1
1964 Laurentian 9 pass Safari, 340HP 4 spd... 1

Starting in 1963, the information package from GM Vintage Vehicle Services, gets pretty good. For my wagon, it indicated only part of the engine number... that being the build date of the engine, in this case, 0425 . Didn't indicate the HP. Engine was built in April 25th, 1963, which coordinates with the car's late May production. And yes, it came with a Muncie, rather than a T10. "

In any case they are rare. if you have one chuckle evilly and greedily to youself!

-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Tuesday 26th of January 2010 10:45:38 AM

65wagon · Poncho Master!

I have three thats wy im asking. And i don,t want anyone visiting my yard from the rumurs i heard.

03cts sport · Uber Guru

65wagon wrote:

I have three thats wy im asking. And i don,t want anyone visiting my yard from the rumurs i heard.

Cool. Do tell. (Don't leave us hanging...)

65wagon · Poncho Master!

Alright one a four speed wagon with almost every one option except ac and i do have the right standard bore 460000 mile block. pulled it so no one would steel it. used to be real sticky fingers in this part of the world few years back.

65customsport 34o hp with ac and power windows engine came in trunk in pieces, funny i dont remember the car being that rough when i parked it

65customsport340 4speed vynal top tilt no tach yet. really really rough.

65customsport rag 3274speed mouve in colour didnt no that when i bought it o well.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

65 Custom Sport is my favourite Canadian Poncho, well in the top two beside a 61 2dr Strato Chief sedan. Anyway, you are lucky to have those, do any of them run?

65wagon · Poncho Master!

the wagon runs Ive had it since the early 80s, savedit from being parted out usedit as a daily driver for years. even have a photo of some friendly drag racing at capital. still use it as a tow vehicle and to break in engine. the 400 horse is sitting ready for reasembly. did i mention it had 14000 miles when i got it. but the first priority is reasembling the 340 heads sitting in my kichen before the miss,s gets mad.

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Is there any chance we can see some pictures? I'm especially interested in seeing the 65 with AC setup. It was my understandng that you coudln't get factory AC in 65 so this would be really neat if it was.

They all sound very interesting and would fill some survivor gaps.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

We could use the build dates on the 409 cars especially to fill in the picture on the last date of production of the 409 in passenger cars.

65Wagon, we believe that a Canadian Pontiac may be the last 409 car built just so you know where we are coming from.

If you could get the data plate info to Fred 68sd we could soon fill in some gaps. The other thing that goes with this is we believe is that no 396 1965 Pontiacs were built once Chevrolet made the change over.

65wagon · Poncho Master!

I am working on it I'll send u the tach pics the wagon has a rally pac with temp and oil pressure gauges. One thing I did notice obout this car was that it runs the bigger truck stile ujoints. I will have to get my wife to do the work not so computer literate.

65wagon · Poncho Master!

The wagons number is in the thousand so i figure its early. i do know it was sold from nothern alberta new.i still have some of the paperwork somewhere. yellowknife rings a bell. When i got it there was lots of sandblasting underneeth but no salt damage. it also has to heaters, one under the seat(which was blown up filling the inside with coolant) and a rear unit.

65wagon · Poncho Master!

Ken a budy of mine has a 340 horse parr rag not a custom. I know the car it is real.

OURWAGON · Guru

HI, THERE WAS A 65 LAURENTIAN 2 DOOR , 396 AUTO IN MY AREA
IT WAS OWN BY AN OLDER FELLOW WHO BOUGHT IT NEW.
WHEN HE PASSED ON IT WENT TO HIS GRAND SON.
THE CAR WAS IN MINT CONDITION. NOT SURE WHERE IT IS NOW.
MAROON , RED INT.

64sedan · Veteran Member

65wagon wrote:

Alright one a four speed wagon with almost every one option except ac and i do have the right standard bore 460000 mile block. pulled it so no one would steel it. used to be real sticky fingers in this part of the world few years back.

65customsport 34o hp with ac and power windows engine came in trunk in pieces, funny i dont remember the car being that rough when i parked it

65customsport340 4speed vynal top tilt no tach yet. really really rough.

65customsport rag 3274speed mouve in colour didnt no that when i bought it o well.

if you contact GM Vintage vehicle services-I'm pretty sure they will fill you in on production numbers

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

OURWAGON wrote:

HI, THERE WAS A 65 LAURENTIAN 2 DOOR , 396 AUTO IN MY AREA
IT WAS OWN BY AN OLDER FELLOW WHO BOUGHT IT NEW.
WHEN HE PASSED ON IT WENT TO HIS GRAND SON.
THE CAR WAS IN MINT CONDITION. NOT SURE WHERE IT IS NOW.
MAROON , RED INT.

This would be great news to document, as far as I know we have never seen a true 396 65 on here. There was one but we all agreed the 396 was about a 1968 version so a transplanted engine we believe. It was a maroon car for sale about a year ago I think.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

64sedan wrote:

65wagon wrote:

Alright one a four speed wagon with almost every one option except ac and i do have the right standard bore 460000 mile block. pulled it so no one would steel it. used to be real sticky fingers in this part of the world few years back.

65customsport 34o hp with ac and power windows engine came in trunk in pieces, funny i dont remember the car being that rough when i parked it

65customsport340 4speed vynal top tilt no tach yet. really really rough.

65customsport rag 3274speed mouve in colour didnt no that when i bought it o well.

if you contact GM Vintage vehicle services-I'm pretty sure they will fill you in on production numbers

Yes but you need a VIN and $68.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

73SC wrote:

64sedan wrote:

65wagon wrote:

Alright one a four speed wagon with almost every one option except ac and i do have the right standard bore 460000 mile block. pulled it so no one would steel it. used to be real sticky fingers in this part of the world few years back.

65customsport 34o hp with ac and power windows engine came in trunk in pieces, funny i dont remember the car being that rough when i parked it

65customsport340 4speed vynal top tilt no tach yet. really really rough.

65customsport rag 3274speed mouve in colour didnt no that when i bought it o well.

if you contact GM Vintage vehicle services-I'm pretty sure they will fill you in on production numbers

Yes but you need a VIN and $68.

If he owns the cars-he has the V.I.N.'s-$68 is an extremely small investment for the documentation they provide

that 460,000 mile standard bore block sounds interesting-I didn't think any of those vintage cars got that many miles put on them and still standard bore to boot !

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Thanks 65 wagon, waiting to see! Like the other guys said a shot of the cowl tags with the build date too on your cars could really fill in some knowledge as to when they stopped making 409 cars. The latest one we know of was built in April 65 and as far as we know they didn't make any confirmed cars in 65 with a 396, but we wouldn't mind to be proved wrong.

its kind of like detective work and your cars will give us a lot of clues. As for Vintage Vehicles Services i'd also recommend sending your VIN's in to George Zapora. You will get the most reliable info available back, you'll find out some interesting things about your cars, you'll get bragging rights, and if you ever sell them the documentation with the GM logo will more than pay for itself.

65wagon · Poncho Master!

Sorry about that it was 46000. some pics are attached the original bench chrome handled shifteris back in. If anyone knows the where abouts of a new boot 65to70only let me know. It does have the small return line with the 3/8 fuel line but the big u joints leave me scratching my head!

-- Edited by 65wagon on Wednesday 27th of January 2010 12:18:52 AM

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Cool ! Carl just converted his car-he likely knows where to purchase a new one