found 2 new ones ..... looking to see if there is any value to them

locomotion · Guru

found 2 new ones ..... looking to see if there is any value to them

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Don't know enough to give a value, but wow! They sound like really neat cars!

Any pics, details, etc?

68post · Poncho Master!

1970 Parisienne 2+2 454 convertible is a rare one. And a 4 speed to boot. I posted pictures of one from an Alberta junkyard, and someone on here posted how many were made.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

The last appraisal I saw on a 1970 Pontiac 454 was done in September 2009. It was a top condition restored Laurentian and It was set at $12,000 appraised for insurance value in Toronto.

At Auction near Parry Sound ON in the fall of 2010 an original condition 427 Survivor Grand Parisienne 2 dr. Hardtop sold for just under $4,000.

There was also a survivor 427 69 2+2 that sold out of Cahtsworth ON in the fall 2010 for $4,000. Engine was not in the car but was provided with sale.

All cars above were auto trans cars.

-- Edited by 73SC on Thursday 17th of March 2011 05:46:00 PM

67rag396 · Poncho Master!

The story as I understand it is that there were only 4 1970 454 convertibles, I don't believe that a manual transmission was available from the factory. Pretty sure our friend seventy2plus2 will be able to confirm.

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

According to the GM documentation regarding my 69 Parisienne 2 dr ht with 427/335 engine, 400 full size 69 Pontiacs in all body styles were built with this engine.

As to value, my car is appraised at much more than any of the numbers quoted here. But whether that value could be gotten in the marketplace today is entirely another question.

-- Edited by gparis7 on Thursday 17th of March 2011 06:16:13 PM

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Yes, the 427 was available in all full size 69 Pontiacs. I am unsure of a 454 stick combo in '70 though. We need more details (and photos!)

Beaumont4008 · Uber Guru

The 70 brochure shows a three speed manual available for all models but not a four speed.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Wow

grande jim · Guru

I found a wib site called the... CAAAR GUIDE... It seems to be a very good resourse for Car prices..try it. They put the 2+2 at $3600.00 for a driver. And the 69 gp 4 door 427 car @ $1850.00 for a driver

67Poncho · Uber Guru

Beaumont4008 wrote:

The 70 brochure shows a three speed manual available for all models but not a four speed.

I knew a 4-gear wasn't available for the 454 but I didn't realize it wasn't offered at all!!!!

Does that mean my '70 with a 454 didn't come with a 5-speed??? biggrin

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of March 2011 06:59:04 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

67rag396 wrote:

The story as I understand it is that there were only 4 1970 454 convertibles, I don't believe that a manual transmission was available from the factory. Pretty sure our friend seventy2plus2 will be able to confirm.

Word on the street is that there were only 4 x 454 2+2 convertibles in 1970. One is in southern BC undergoing restoration, one in a scapyard in AB, 1 near Chicago (very rusty that came from Listowell ON), and the last one in Iowa (Larry Kosek's old car that he got in Wetaskiwin AB). Of the 4, I've seen 3. Larry Kosek actually owned both the Listowell & Wetaskiwin cars. I believe all were 345 hp LS4 454's, but not certain.

As indicated above, 4 speed was not an option in 1970, so what manual trans does it have? 3 speed column shift? If floor shift, someone has possibly done an engine/tranny transplant.

(3 speed column shift was available, and I've seen on a plain Strato Chief)

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:01:32 PM

68post · Poncho Master!

seventy2plus2 wrote:

67rag396 wrote:

The story as I understand it is that there were only 4 1970 454 convertibles, I don't believe that a manual transmission was available from the factory. Pretty sure our friend seventy2plus2 will be able to confirm.

Word on the street is that there were only 4 x 454 2+2 convertibles in 1970. One is in southern BC undergoing restoration, one in a scapyard in AB, 1 near Chicago (very rusty that came from Listowell ON), and the last one in Iowa (Larry Kosek's old car that he got in Wetaskiwin AB). Of the 4, I've seen 3. Larry Kosek actually owned both the Listowell & Wetaskiwin cars. I believe all were 345 hp LS4 454's, but not certain.

As indicated above, 4 speed was not an option in 1970, so what manual trans does it have? 3 speed column shift? If floor shift, someone has possibly done an engine/tranny transplant.

(3 speed column shift was available, and I've seen on a plain Strato Chief)

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:01:32 PM

Clint, was it you that bought the 454 out of the 2+2 in Redwater? why not buy rhe whole car? ( I know it was rough...)
I think there was a 454 2+2 convert from Quebec at the Atlantic Nationals last year.

68post · Poncho Master!

Redwater, Alberta car

-- Edited by 68post on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:18:30 PM

68post · Poncho Master!

And this is the topic with the Quebec one I mentioned.

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=29317618

Sorry, how do I make this clickable again? confuse

Thanks Vincent..

-- Edited by 68post on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:45:24 PM

-- Edited by 68post on Thursday 17th of March 2011 08:03:20 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

68post wrote:

seventy2plus2 wrote:

67rag396 wrote:

The story as I understand it is that there were only 4 1970 454 convertibles, I don't believe that a manual transmission was available from the factory. Pretty sure our friend seventy2plus2 will be able to confirm.

Word on the street is that there were only 4 x 454 2+2 convertibles in 1970. One is in southern BC undergoing restoration, one in a scapyard in AB, 1 near Chicago (very rusty that came from Listowell ON), and the last one in Iowa (Larry Kosek's old car that he got in Wetaskiwin AB). Of the 4, I've seen 3. Larry Kosek actually owned both the Listowell & Wetaskiwin cars. I believe all were 345 hp LS4 454's, but not certain.

As indicated above, 4 speed was not an option in 1970, so what manual trans does it have? 3 speed column shift? If floor shift, someone has possibly done an engine/tranny transplant.

(3 speed column shift was available, and I've seen on a plain Strato Chief)

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:01:32 PM
Clint, was it you that bought the 454 out of the 2+2 in Redwater? why not buy rhe whole car? ( I know it was rough...)
I think there was a 454 2+2 convert from Quebec at the Atlantic Nationals last year.

yup, I've got the motor from the Redwater car. Didn't want the whole car, it was too rough to think about. It was a real early casting / stamping.

67Poncho · Uber Guru

68post wrote:

And this is the topic with the Quebec one I mentioned.

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=29317618

Sorry, how do I make this clickable again?

-- Edited by 68post on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:45:24 PM

Hit the space bar after you place the cursor just after the last letter. I just tried it and it turned blue... Edit your post and try it!!

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:53:37 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

68post wrote:

And this is the topic with the Quebec one I mentioned.

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=29317618

Sorry, how do I make this clickable again?

-- Edited by 68post on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:45:24 PM

I must have missed that post from a couple years ago. So maybe there's 5? Unless it's the rusty one that came from Listowell ON.

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 17th of March 2011 07:52:10 PM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=29317618

Jonno · Poncho Master!

I guess it is up to Locomotion to get us the straight goods on this 70 2 +2 454 Convertible with a stick. Pretty exciting if it is car #5 (or 6) coming to light.

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

I would think in this market a 70 454 stick conv

should sell at Barrett Jackson for $70-80,00.00

CDN2PLS2 · Uber Guru

Is that All the Money? You're missing a Great oppertunity here!

locomotion · Guru

i will try to go see both cars once i come back to Canada
i will take pictures and all info i can on them
i know that both cars are in great shape
but not sure what tranny is in the 70 2+2 convertible but i am 100% that it is a real 454 convertible

i wanted to make sure that a 454 was possible in a 1970 Pontiac

i know what the asking price for the 1969 427 is, but i am worried that it's a 4 door

locomotion · Guru

grande jim wrote:

I found a wib site called the... CAAAR GUIDE... It seems to be a very good resourse for Car prices..try it. They put the 2+2 at $3600.00 for a driver. And the 69 gp 4 door 427 car @ $1850.00 for a driver

yeah real good site for getting kicked out of the sellers house real fast
maybe that is the price for the cars back in 1970 and 1969?

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

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