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keep them rare cars original


biggrin title says it all. just wanted to voice my opinion and thats all it is my opinion. this is not meant for arguments nor insults. ok away we go. I must say i am sick of seeing all these rare cars being modified so much from original they are not even the same car anymore. oh well guess this makes mine worth morebiggrinbiggrin. i see so many with blowers, axle modifications, frame, tube,spring,shock modifications and the list goes on and on, my question is why???? after doing this not only do you ruin the integrity of the car but its no longer the car it was from the factory! why not just buy a new car to play with or wreck. one day folks will be trying to find an acadian canso all original without mods and that will be impossible, these cars are rare to begin with so why screw with them? I say restore them the way they should be and that is factory, you look at the underside of most of these cars and you forget what an original is supposed too look like,if that crap turns you on go buy a 2011 camaro or charger!! LOL  cheers. once again my opinion only no insults meant, just some food for thought.



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Whatever 'floats "your boat!!! Not to start an arguement, but some people [ including me] just want to improve on a vehicle's ability to go down the road. Your Canso's & Chevy II's have terrible front ends that need alignment almost mthly. so why not go to better A-arms & R&Pinion strg, or put a "FORD" 9" rear end cause you've blown up 3 Chevy axles!!! My 52 Torpedo back is sitting on a 84 Cutlass chassis, because I "drive " my cars over 7000 mi in the summer mths. & don't want to be "stuck" looking for 52 chassis parts in the middle of no where!!!! My 64 Catalina 2+2 is also "modified" slightly in the D/line, but has done 7 trips to West Virginia without a "hiccup" So what ever you want to do to "your" car it's up to the owner, Stock, restored to stock, or highly modified, enjoy it, & "DRIVE IT" Nothing worse than a "trailer queen" or what I call "Garage Furniture" just look at it sitting there & polish it cause it's "TOO NICE to DRIVE"

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if ya have the right guy that knows the cars they can set the front up very good. my canso has had no issues with driving or allignment. even new cars get allignments and the first bump you hit its gone. drove my car all original with regular maintinance  10,000 kms last year and so far 5000 this year, one time 6 hours straight. these cars drove fine when they were new and were daily drivers with no issues. sure if you hope in the car with an old tie rod or ball joint and think you are going somewhere it will brake. but with new original parts and proper allignment and maintinance you should have no issues as a driver. my father also had a canso growing up and it was all original he drove that car to work every day and up to our cottage  every weekend 2 hours away for 10 years and never had an issue.



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67acadiansd wrote:

biggrin title says it all. just wanted to voice my opinion and thats all it is my opinion. this is not meant for arguments nor insults. ok away we go. I must say i am sick of seeing all these rare cars being modified so much from original they are not even the same car anymore. oh well guess this makes mine worth morebiggrinbiggrin. i see so many with blowers, axle modifications, frame, tube,spring,shock modifications and the list goes on and on, my question is why???? after doing this not only do you ruin the integrity of the car but its no longer the car it was from the factory! why not just buy a new car to play with or wreck. one day folks will be trying to find an acadian canso all original without mods and that will be impossible, these cars are rare to begin with so why screw with them? I say restore them the way they should be and that is factory, you look at the underside of most of these cars and you forget what an original is supposed too look like,if that crap turns you on go buy a 2011 camaro or charger!! LOL  cheers. once again my opinion only no insults meant, just some food for thought.


 I agree.....  but I wonder how many cars were modified, without owner, knowing how rare their cars are/were?  

With the GM Historical and the internet now we know a lot more  

When I had my 67 SD 1 of 66 in 1979-80  I did know of its historical value  

cars then were a dime a dozen   

I did trade it on a Real 1969 Z28



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To each his own. Some cars are so rotton by the time you put floors in them, quarter panels, door skins, fenders, are they really original anyway? I say keep the cars out of the wreckers and build them into something you enjoy, wether it be stock, modified for handelling, 9 second street car.

I saw a modified AMC Gremlin where the guy put in a 401, Hotchskis suspention, disk brakes, 9 inch Ford rear and the car sold for 21,000. I saw the same Gremlin left alone with factory 304, all original, including drum brakes and it only pulled 6500.00.

There are only a handful of classic cars that are truly valuable. Most cars are not as valuable as what us owners think.

I have seen some modified cars that the quality and engineering that has went into them was incredible. I have seen some original restored cars with stock low hp 327's 350's etc that I just don't look at because they are kinda boring.


I have had an all original 70 Judge Convertible, 71 Lemans factory 455 Convertible, 68 SS Chevelle 4 speed, original cars, and when I sold them people were not willing to give me big bucks because they were original.


My 66 Acadian SD has a art Gilders Chassis, Blown 383 with a vintage Dyers 671 Blower, 9 inch ford rear, turbo 400 tranny and so many people are looking forward to seeing the car next year. Shhhhhhhh don't tell anyone it might be a L79 car





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I had an L79 2 door post in my youth, couldn't steer it or stop it so when I bought my 66 Canso SD I decided these were issues I needed to address, and I did. It's mine and I like it just the way it is, a great car to drive and lots of balls and oh yes it stops when you want to!

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ARCADIAN wrote:

I had an L79 2 door post in my youth, couldn't steer it or stop it so when I bought my 66 Canso SD I decided these were issues I needed to address, and I did. It's mine and I like it just the way it is, a great car to drive and lots of balls and oh yes it stops when you want to!


         I think he was referring to radical mods   Your car still looks 90% stock 



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i agree that if they are so rotten why not do anything to them anyway,at that point they are just rotten metal, but what about nice clean original car getting modified? just my opinion and not disrespect, as said to each his own and it would be a boring world if everyone was a like. but I need to toss the question out there. oh and 427 carl why do you need to stop? brakes just hold ya back LOLsmile   come on guys just admit it we get bored and need to try to improve things that sometimes dont need to be improved..oops  did i just say that? the wife must be really rubbing off on me? i need a beer, out to the gargae i go biggrin



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Yes, the cars did drive 'alright" back in the day!!! But the other cars at that time didn't have "disc" brakes. etc. that the modern daily drivers have today, & here we are out with them with a 40+ yr old cars, with brakes that won't stop as fast as the car ahead of you, receipy for "rearender" My neighbour has a 66 Chevy II, has had the frt. end aligned more times than he wants to remember, now he going to Diff. A-arms etc. on advise from many owners of same car saying you can't keep the frt. end aligned. Anyway,neither here nor there, Up grades are "GOOD" for driving, if not adjust your driving habits & avoid meeting the guy in front of you!!! Drove the 52 up the street last week & "banging" on the Tremec 5 spd was a RUSH [ran out of street in 3rd. gear] Gave me the "shot in the Arm" to keep going on it. Got lucky on that run, no police in town at the time, WHEW!!!!! No plates Ins. lights, etc. sitting on a seat thats not bolted down, BUT it WAS FUN!!! Engine[358] pulls Hard, but didn't get into the 2nd. 4bbl. [yet]

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gee opened a can of worms here... LOL, you guys talk about brakes and rearending someone, i wouldnt know what that is about I am always in the frontbiggrin the other cars are eating my dust, oh and by the way stop tail gatting so much and you guys will be able to stop in timewink   just havin some fun, good to hear all your opinions even when they stinkwink cheers.



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What constitutes a rare car? One person's "rare" is an another person's "high production".

Great point Carl when you said, "but I wonder how many cars were modified, without owner, knowing how rare their cars are/were"? That same thought popped into my head at first.  



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I say modify it if you want but keep the original parts intact to pass on to the next owner and if he chooses he can put it back. I have a specific situation where a fellow bought a original one owner 65 Sd Beaumont, pulled the original motor and sold it not realizing he lowered the value of the car. He also added custom trim to a SD car with full trim (don't get me started!) Just keep the original parts intact. Your really just borrowing your car from the next owner. Most of my SD's have 350's in them because trying to keep a the original parts for a 327 or 283 is tuff but if I have the original motor it's on the shelf and is not for sale unless somebody buys the car.

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i never liked original. couldn't wait till the warranty was up to modify it to make it my own. that being said my dads uncle offered me a doctor T for free, because i was the only one in the clan that was interested in old cars. i turned him down because i said i would want to modify it and i cant do that to a nice original. now on the other hand my 63 was completely rotted into the ground, trim was the only thing that was half decent. now i really don't feel bad rat rodding it even though it is a very rare car.

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Picture 081.jpgPicture 017.jpg67acadiansd wrote:

gee opened a can of worms here... LOL, you guys talk about brakes and rearending someone, i wouldnt know what that is about I am always in the frontbiggrin the other cars are eating my dust, oh and by the way stop tail gatting so much and you guys will be able to stop in timewink   just havin some fun, good to hear all your opinions even when they stinkwink cheers.


 Nah, you didn't open a can of worms, just got a topic thats Great, these are the topics that "liven' up  this site. Was getting tired of all the KIJJI & Craigs list E-bay cars for sale "NOT MINE" ones as well!!!  Looking forward to more opinions, your right the world would be a boring place if we were all the same!!!!!



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dualquadpete wrote:
Picture 081.jpgPicture 017.jpg67acadiansd wrote:

gee opened a can of worms here... LOL, you guys talk about brakes and rearending someone, i wouldnt know what that is about I am always in the frontbiggrin the other cars are eating my dust, oh and by the way stop tail gatting so much and you guys will be able to stop in timewink   just havin some fun, good to hear all your opinions even when they stinkwink cheers.


 Nah, you didn't open a can of worms, just got a topic thats Great, these are the topics that "liven' up  this site. Was getting tired of all the KIJJI & Craigs list E-bay cars for sale "NOT MINE" ones as well!!!  Looking forward to more opinions, your right the world would be a boring place if we were all the same!!!!!


 You better watch it or they will label you a SH*T disturber and you can't have that title because it's mine!biggrinbiggrinbiggrin



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One thing I had to learn. When I sell a car, the new owner can do whatever he wants with it. A few times I sold cars and hated what happened to them. The fact is, it's not my car any more.

Likely the 74 year old grandma that was the original owner of my 65 SD would not approve of me making it a 327 4 speed either, even though I think it's a perfect upgrade. Even more likely she would have hated it when it was a 427!!!

And Paul, you've been WAY too much fun on here lately. Careful, you might get dethroned if you keep it up!!! Pete's on your heels.......!

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great example

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible

 

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible



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My wife has asked for a hugger orange 65 Beaumont with racing stripes so if one ever happens I am sorry in advance.

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your forgiven in advance for the hugger orange peel.no my grandama would love that 427 car, after all she has a boat that goes 75 mile an hour on the lake, she has to remove her teeth before she takes it for a rip or they fly out and land in the water for fish bait. she has driven my car once, nothing like a  5ft 73 year old grandma layin some rubber,biggrin she just cant see over the wheel to goodno



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These cars are perfect to modify...That's why theres such a huge aftermarket of parts for them.

My car was 4 drum two foot brakes, strong arm steering, handled and stopped like crap. Getting rid of most of the stock stuff was the best thing I could do for the car.

Plus adding a couple hundred hp didnt hurt for the "fun" factor.



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65sssd wrote:

I say modify it if you want but keep the original parts intact to pass on to the next owner and if he chooses he can put it back. 

 You're really just borrowing your car from the next owner.


 I agree with Paul.
 Modify the car the way you want because it is your car. Keep in mind that when you modify a car you will limit the number of potential buyers because they may not like your taste. I don't think anyone has a problem with a car that is safer to drive but in the event that potential buyer may want the original parts it never hurts to have them available.
 When I first built my 69 it was done with "period" aftermarket parts; what I often term as a "day 2" car. I am finally getting the last of the correct parts to put on the car and it will be back to stock; perhaps without the Muncie shifter ( I do have a couple) installed but everything else will be as it was delivered from the dealer when new. 
 My 68 SD is not going to be restored to it's original configuration as far as options but I know how I would have ordered a car if I could have bought one new in 1968; so I am going to build it that way. A few other modifications to suspension, brakes and wheels but all of that unbolts.
 I enjoy looking all types of cars and the modifications done when tasteful. If something doesn't appeal to me I don't look at it.

 



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thats right on Brad , thats what i hope to do with my car , keep it as i remember it as a kid (the whole reason i love beaumonts)

but id like to do it the way id would have ordered it myself

so out goes the 307 in goes the 396 (i hope)

i added the console the person who forgot to order it with the buckets left out.

added disc brakes,

i would have loved to keep it 100% original like it was when i first saw it as a 32,000 mile car (now its 62,000) but i had to fix enough stuff it would have lost the original feel anyway.

 



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come on guys is that not what these old cars is about, memories.the stiff feeling over bumps that feel of the arm strong steering and two hands on the wheel and two feet on the brake pedal pushing as hard as you can, that old car smell...ahhh that old car smell, next you guys are going to tell me you put air freshner in your cars,, that girly one that hangs from the mirrorno my wife has a 2011 ford focus that pretty much sounds like the cars you guyys are describingwink so my question goes out again if you dont want all the original stuff and hate the steering,brakes ect. why dont you just save your self the time and money and buy a brand new mustang or camaro or charger???  oopps did i just stir the pot too muchbiggrinbiggrin 



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68sd wrote:

great example

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible

 

Kijiji: Rare Find ! 1967 Beaumont - SD Convertible


 I agree, those chrome SD gilles just don't look right...



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I agree with Nailhead, do it your way . We only live so long so be happy with your project, no one else really cares ! , and I also agree with keeping rare cars whole ... saying that my 67 2+2 will be totally original exc the wheels and my Chevelle real SS 396 138 car and my real 70 Z28 will be highly modified so I can drive em and have a lot of fun doing it ! What do you call rare ? They made 8700 70 Z cars, is that rare ? They probably made 25,000 SS396 Chevelles in 66 , is that rare ? I think less than 500 is rare. Like a Canadian 66 Malibu SS 396 one of 499, or a 67 Beaumont SD 396 one of 66 ,that would be pretty rare !

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