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cowl tag rivets


are these  hard to  find  (  67  GM )  and  i wonder   what  type  of  riveting  gun  to  use



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1967  BEAUMONT   2 DOOR  POST  ALL NEW  283

1965  CHEV  BEL AIR   230   3 SPEED

I LIKE THEM PLAIN , I LOVE BENCH SEATS , POVERTY CAPS,NO TRIM.

I HAVE  THIS THING  FOR  A 4 DOOR 65  BISCAYNE  6 CYL  STD  DONT KNOW  WHY ?

 

 



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No, lots of places sell them. I wouldn't be surprised if our sponsor NOS has them.

So far anywhere I've read, there is no tool for it, you have to be a bit enterprising and make some sort of your own to install them.

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If they're the rivets I'm thinking of, they're hollow.  Guys have used a machine screw & nut to compress the rivet, then remove the screw & nut.  Hole then gets filled with caulk.



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yes they do make a tool to put the rivets on. I will send the link to Carl to post. Newly made rivets have more of a shine to them because they dont have the lead content originals have



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go to trimtags.com for rivets and tool



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Cool, I'd never seen that before Kevin.

www.trimtags.com



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thats cool    nice to see them installed properly  

 


These instructions are for Trim Tag rivet installation only.
 There are two methods to install the rivets:

1) The easiest way is to merely epoxy the rivets in place (do not use super glue). Put a small amount of epoxy around the barrel part of the rivet and push the rivet through the trim tag into the firewall/cowl. Let the epoxy set and the tag will look like it was installed at the factory. No one can see behind the firewall/cowl to see that the rivet was not crushed against the back. As an extra precaution I would suggest putting a dab of the epoxy on the back of the trim tag.

2) We now offer a custom made rivet installation tool for an additional $17.00 when you order a new trim tag. This tool will ensure that the rivets are installed in precisely the same way the factory installed them at the plant. The appearance of the rivet from both the front and the back will be factory correct. Also, note that most trim tag rivets had Black Sealer/ Body Filler (caulk) pushed into the hollow part of the rivet after installation

 


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Making it easier and easier to fool an unsuspecting buyer.
Remember the Chevelle(??) story on here a month or so back.

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norontcan wrote:

Making it easier and easier to fool an unsuspecting buyer.
Remember the Chevelle(??) story on here a month or so back.


         Not every car guy is a crook no   Makes it easy to put tags on correctly after paint  



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Thankfully there are not many crooks but we still have to be careful not to let our guard down.

I have 3 original paint cars and on all of them the cowl tag was put on before paint and then partially covered by a piece of about 2" wide tape haphazardly applied. meaning part of the tag is painted with cowl colour.

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norontcan wrote:

 I have 3 original paint cars and on all of them the cowl tag was put on before paint and then partially covered by a piece of about 2" wide tape haphazardly applied. meaning part of the tag is painted with cowl colour.


 Yep, they are actually quite messy looking ... that's the original way they were finished. When I see a perfectly clean trim tag, I always think something is sketchy.



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I would rather see a nice clean polished tag on a fresh painted cowl if the car has been restored. I going to do my home work on any car before I buy it no matter what the tag looks like



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well thank you all , another issue eventually taken care of ..........

c p is my note book  concerning  all those  little detailswinkwink



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1967  BEAUMONT   2 DOOR  POST  ALL NEW  283

1965  CHEV  BEL AIR   230   3 SPEED

I LIKE THEM PLAIN , I LOVE BENCH SEATS , POVERTY CAPS,NO TRIM.

I HAVE  THIS THING  FOR  A 4 DOOR 65  BISCAYNE  6 CYL  STD  DONT KNOW  WHY ?

 

 



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70 SS ACADIAN wrote:

I would rather see a nice clean polished tag on a fresh painted cowl if the car has been restored. I going to do my home work on any car before I buy it no matter what the tag looks like


 I like to see a tag with patina that looks like its never been off the car, even if the rest of the car is impeccably restored.  



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So when you do your very first or maybe only restoration,frame off or what have you.You get that body all stripped and take it to the sandblaster to get everything off the metal before you start being sure to duct tape the cowl tag really really well so that it doesn't get blown off or disintegrated by the sandblaster.Being that you are a first timer attempting this you leave the blaster with the eager anticipation to see your project down to bare metal upon your return-most of us have been there.Upon your return you find that your car was certainly not as " solid as you had first thought" and guess what the cowl tag is completely gone! Now what the h*ll do you do? Here is where the cowl tag company with correct factory rivets becomes your new best friend that you just want to hug and hug and hug.Sh*t happens that we sometimes overlook or are too stupid to know better it isn't always that someone is trying to to fool someone.I remember asking a buddy a while back when I saw that 66 beaumont big block sport deluxe being restored on here( aztec bronze car-absolutely beautiful) why the guy did not mask off the cowl tag properly.Well I then learned that the original cars had that look of a have masked off cowl tag-my bad-learned something new.Either way I am very happy that this company exists just because of the possibility that stuff happens during restoration beyond our control.My 2 cents for what it is worth.

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I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.

It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story. police.gif

Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.

canadiancowltag67.jpg

 



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I have a printed statement about tampering with the VIN tag being eligel how ever it also states it can be removed and reattached for the purpose of body repair or restoration. This was for Ontario. I will try to find it and post it here.



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I took the VIN tag off a 49 Chevy 3100 yesterday    2 screws hold it on  

A few minutes with GooGone and WD40

 and the previously painted over tag is like new and has the serial # proving its a 1949    

I checked the engine  s/b 216 cu in and its a 50-52 235     so now we can get correct carb

 

Will finish the interior and screw plate back on......



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CdnGMfan wrote:

 

I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.

 

It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story. police.gif

 

Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.

 

canadiancowltag67.jpg

 

 


 a  tag  with  overspray  looks  like  a  repaint  ?? logigcly  speaking  the  fire wall  is  painted at the factory  and  then  the  tag  is  put  in place

 

that s why  i took  mine  off  ,  , also  it  was  holding only  on  one corner , the  tag  itself  had  a bit  of patina  in  the  holes  making  them  slightly  bigger  the  hold  on with the rivets .

 

i would  not  fool  arround  with   a v i n tag  but  a trim  tag  in my book  should  not  be  an  issue  if   it is  removed  and  repositioned  in the  same place .



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1967  BEAUMONT   2 DOOR  POST  ALL NEW  283

1965  CHEV  BEL AIR   230   3 SPEED

I LIKE THEM PLAIN , I LOVE BENCH SEATS , POVERTY CAPS,NO TRIM.

I HAVE  THIS THING  FOR  A 4 DOOR 65  BISCAYNE  6 CYL  STD  DONT KNOW  WHY ?

 

 



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since 1983 wrote:
CdnGMfan wrote:

 

I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.

 

It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story. police.gif

 

Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.

 

canadiancowltag67.jpg

 

 


 a  tag  with  overspray  looks  like  a  repaint  ?? logigcly  speaking  the  fire wall  is  painted at the factory  and  then  the  tag  is  put  in place

 

that s why  i took  mine  off  ,  ,


 THE TAG IS ON THE CAR BEFORE THE CAR EVER SEE'S PAINT AT THE FACTORY. THE TAG IS ON THE CAR WHEN THE BODY IS BUILT, TO INDICATE ANY MODIFICATIONS THE BODY NEEDS FOR CERTAIN OPTIONS. SUCH AS A HOLE IN THE FLOOR FOR A 4 SPEED, OR MOUNTING HOLES FOR TRIM, ECT.



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Agreed, as ugly as it looks, that tag appears to be 100% factory installed. I have yet to see a neatly taped, unpainted, factory installed cowl tag. Some of them have more than 1/2 the tag painted over!

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i was convinced they painted the body before..............that s the way i would of done it

i love to learn!!!

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1965  CHEV  BEL AIR   230   3 SPEED

I LIKE THEM PLAIN , I LOVE BENCH SEATS , POVERTY CAPS,NO TRIM.

I HAVE  THIS THING  FOR  A 4 DOOR 65  BISCAYNE  6 CYL  STD  DONT KNOW  WHY ?

 

 

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I cant say if I`ve seen a vin tag with paint over it so are they put on after?



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427carl wrote:

1966 original Parisienne.jpg

66 at Johnny Ringo  see paint over.JPG

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 do you have any vin tag pictures?



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Sorry   my bad    I forgot vin is on the door sill    



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