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4SPEED427


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Anyone seen this?

Better yet, has anyone bought one, or know someone who has?

This REALLY does interest me. I have always said drum brakes are fine for my car because I really can't see ditching them which forces me to use 15" wheels.

But............

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/65-66-67-68-IMPALA-CAPRICE-NO-CHANGE-TRACWIDTH-ZERO-OFFSET-DISC-BRAKE-CONVERSION/380958888313?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33490%26meid%3Dbeb94279609c49a4a791c370dd4eb3d8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D351073048205&clk_rvr_id=911341502795&rmvSB=true

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They would still need to be disk brake 14 in wheels. 



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I have a set of Rally One's that I planned to run under my stock covers anyway, so that should be all good.

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My one concern is that it's CPP.

The Nova guys have had MANY issues with the CPP kit for the front end of their 62-67 Novas. I guess I'll keep reading. If it's a crappy kit, the details will come out online. That's the beauty of the internet, it's hard to hide crappy quality if you are selling car parts cause you'll get "outed".

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My only experience with CPP was the power steering box I put in the Parisienne, and it's associated rag joint - No problems.  A buddy bought some stuff from them and again no problems, but it was pretty straightforward stuff.



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We have bought a kit for our 64 wagon that I think may be the same as this or very similar and claims to maintain a 14" wheel diameter as long as they are disc brake rims. We will be getting into it shortly... I was told this evening that after Mrs. Urban Suburban hears her car start for the first time I will be allowed to play.

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I can't comment on the brakes from CPP but I have their tubular control arms and dropped spindles on my 69 Camaro. Quality appears good, clean tig welds no undercutting and no grind marks on the arms. Spindles are a 2 piece with cast steel upright with a press fit spindle like a few of the big dollar versions.

The parts you are looking at are pretty basic, cnc aluminum hubs, new bearings, rotor and caliper and some plasma cut brackets. The brackets would be the weak link and from what I can tell pretty similar to a variety of aftermarket suppliers.


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dcneric wrote:

I can't comment on the brakes from CPP but I have their tubular control arms and dropped spindles on my 69 Camaro. Quality appears good, clean tig welds no undercutting and no grind marks on the arms. Spindles are a 2 piece with cast steel upright with a press fit spindle like a few of the big dollar versions.

The parts you are looking at are pretty basic, cnc aluminum hubs, new bearings, rotor and caliper and some plasma cut brackets. The brackets would be the weak link and from what I can tell pretty similar to a variety of aftermarket suppliers.

 x2 Have the control arms in my car, but my brother in law (mechanic) just purchased a disc brake kit from CPP for his 70 Malibu ( don't think it uses the same bracket) and has to pump the pedal because the (mexican) caliper bracket flexes when brakes applied.



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I hadn't even thought of that aspect, my concern is the aluminum hub on a 4500 lb car.

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I bought mine from summit and was there summit brand and they get there kit from stainless steel brake co. It went on with no problems and looks like a stock set up but with drill  rotors and braided brake lines.  

 

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The problem is, I can only find this kit that allows 14" wheels. All the other B body kits use a full 11" rotor and there is not way to put a caliper on that and use a 14" wheel.

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The stock disk brakes for camaro and chevelles were 11 in rotors and 14 in disk brake rims.



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As far as I can find, this kit is the only one with a 10.8" rotor which is why I'm confident it will actually fit with my 14" rim.

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Never mind about disk brakes lets get a big block in that big engine bay. 



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No worries, I have a rat for it. I want to drive it first with the small block but as of now with selling our place and building a new one, the GP is on hold. A lot of my evenings are "house" stuff, not car stuff these days.

My time is spent with that, plus having to put up with Johnnee_D. He's more annoying than one of those flies that never quits doing laps around your head.....

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so your putting the brakes on your GP?

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timbuk wrote:

so your putting the brakes on your GP?




(Ignoring the post above your post) I was thinking of a disc conversion but it doesn't have to happen and I want to retain the stock appearance. Until now, stock appearing has not been an option with discs.

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kit would be good omn my 65 impailer but as you say aluminum hubs? who is that guy in the above post?

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Hi Carl

I have been off for a while and missed this early on. I did a disc brake conversion on my 66 Parisienne a couple of years back. The kit that I got was with the eleven inch rotors and the calipers look very similar to S10's. I used 14" rims off a '84 S10 that fit perfectly. The kit that I got used the original spindles and it said in the installation sheet that it would move the wheels outward a 1/4" per side. Of course you have to change the master cylinder to a double unit to separate the front from the rear and add a proportioning valve. The proportioning valve I used was from a S10 as well and the mounting bracket that the S10 uses for the proportioning valve can be modified to be used as well.

I feel a whole lot better driving now with the discs. The stopping is away better. In fact on a hard brake sometimes the oil light will come on for a second or so. Give a world of confidence.

 

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Can you tell me which kit you used? Brand name, part number? I can live with the wheel track being 1/2" wider total, not a big deal.

Thanks for chiming in. I think I like the idea of your kit, because it's proven.

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Hi Carl

I will have to check and see if I still have the box and instructions. Will get back to you shortly.

 

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Great, thanks.

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Hi Carl

Found it! The kit is from Right Stuff Detailing and it is for 65-68 Full Size Chevy. In their instructions they mention that they don't support the use of 14"wheels, but I can say that I have had absolutely on issues since the installation. You just have to find the 14" rims that will clear.

Hope that this helps you when the time comes when you make the install. Try to get a little work in on the GP and not ALL house stuff.

Luppy



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Thanks Gary, I will check their website.

I have a couple of sets of disc brake 14" steel wheels so I should be in good shape. I think I even have some S10 wheels too.

Yeah, the house stuff is winning so far. I'm just beat in the evenings because it seems there's always something to do between selling this place and planning the build for the new one.

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Hi Carl

I have just been through a move, but not my own. My father-in-law move into an assisted living complex. He had been in the house for 38 years. Lots of hours of sorting though stuff. Hope that yours goes smoothly.

 

Luppy



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