Working on the 63 Parisienne

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Working on the 63 Parisienne

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

The Pontiac dog dish I found were not as good as I hoped, I'd like to find a better set. Maybe a later set of stainless steel work work?

Don

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

It's looking better already. He sure likes spraying everything black! biggrin

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63 Parisienne

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RE: Working on the 63 Parisienne

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I did not like the 605 at all, it was way too "twitchy". I had a 59 with original power steering, it was very light with little feel, but I much preferred it over the 63 with the 605. The issue I had was not that uncommon, and I had tried some of the suggested solutions but it was still not right. I think it had too much assist which made it too quick to react. I had a complete stock setup, pump, brackets, hoses, slave cylinder, so decided to use it.

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DonSSDD wrote:
I did not like the 605 at all, it was way too "twitchy". I had a 59 with original power steering, it was very light with little feel, but I much preferred it over the 63 with the 605. The issue I had was not that uncommon, and I had tried some of the suggested solutions but it was still not right. I think it had too much assist which made it too quick to react. I had a complete stock setup, pump, brackets, hoses, slave cylinder, so decided to use it.

Good choice I agree with you 100% there is absolutely nothing wrong with the stock power steering system and they will work and last forever! The 605 is a cheap box and limits the turning radius and they are leakers from the factory and do not bolt directly to the frame without an adapter plate which to me is not a great idea at all. Nice black 63 Parisienne by the way!

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I like your 61 a lot too.

Don

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

DonSSDD wrote:
The Pontiac dog dish I found were not as good as I hoped, I'd like to find a better set. Maybe a later set of stainless steel work work?

Don

Some dude in PEI hooked me up. biggrin Anyone recognize the flooring?

They have never been on a car before.

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I ordered a new 3/8's fuel line for the car, it came damaged in shipment. There was a bend that had pretty much collapsed and no way you could bend it back and get it to "re-open", the company I got it from gave me back my money and left the part with me. They didn't want to chance shipping another line.

I learned an old trick from a guy, fill the line with fine sand (I used blasting sand) 100% and you can carefully bend it back. I did that and the collapsed portion re-opened great.

I've sold my 62 Bel Air project in New Zealand, had some work to do to it to ship it, so the Pontiac took a back seat. Will get at it now.

I got the inner fenders and other removeable parts painted, a ST10 and Hurst shifter ready to go, cleaned out 2/3's of the front frame area for painting, removed the PS and box, and got the exhaust manifolds powder coated. Once I finish the cleaning and painitng of the frame area, it can start going back together.

-- Edited by DonSSDD on Wednesday 27th of April 2016 05:47:03 AM

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

DonSSDD wrote:
I ordered a new 3/8's fuel line for the car, it came damaged in shipment. There was a bend that had pretty much collapsed and no way you could bend it back and get it to "re-open", the company I got it from gave me back my money and left the part with me. They didn't want to chance shipping another line.

Did you order it from here on the east coast Don?

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Ordered from Show Cars (I like dealing with them on 409 stuff). The issue is its in a carton about 5 ft long and it had no obvious damage. But is had been "shortened" during transit just enough to bend the pipe.

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DonSSDD wrote:
DonSSDD wrote:
The Pontiac dog dish I found were not as good as I hoped, I'd like to find a better set. Maybe a later set of stainless steel work work?

Don
Some dude in PEI hooked me up. Anyone recognize the flooring?
They have never been on a car before.

wow very mint how can you be shure about never beeing used , based on their condition ?

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

No scratches on the edge on the back where they would hook on to the wheel. And the guy that sold them to me guaranteed they were NOS................ Right Darryl?

-- Edited by DonSSDD on Friday 29th of April 2016 07:58:45 PM

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

DonSSDD wrote:
No scratches on the edge on the back where they would hook on to the wheel. And the guy that sold them to me guaranteed they were NOS................ Right Darryl?

Right. NOS ... and I never installed them.

since 1983 · Poncho Master!

ohhh they come from Daryl
those are nice and look good on your car

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I got a hood scoop for it, the kind used on a super duty in 63. This one came off a 58 ford f850 CN truck, he had it since 1966. Chrome is pitted, but all the studs are there and almost no rust. I haven't even washed it yet.

-- Edited by DonSSDD on Thursday 9th of June 2016 08:28:46 PM

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Finally got the engine compartment cleaned out, installed the stock power steering valve and box, have to get the steering column back together next. Have the 409 and super t10 ready to drop in, just need to bolt the manifolds back on. Also bought a set of pie crust DOT drag radials, 28.5 X 8 by 15. Clutch pedal is in, have a 3/8ths fuel line ready to install too.

-- Edited by DonSSDD on Monday 27th of June 2016 08:07:19 PM

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

That's a nice little project you've got going on there. Thanks for providing updates.

Question: did 409 Canadian Pontiacs ever come with those scoops? I know that some of the US Super Duty Catalinas had them, but don't recall CPs with them. Just my opinion, but it would be the one thing I'd leave off, rather than drill holes in my hood to mount it.

Keep up the good work!

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I've had the same thoughts on drilling holes, but since this will not be a show car, I'd like to use it if I can. It changes the whole image of the car with the pie crust?

I don't know that the scoops came factory installed on any GM car, but it was a part you could order from what I have seen. I doubt it was available in Canada, I think it was something racers installed. You see a lot of "back in the day pictures" of Tempests, US Pontiacs, and Chevies with the scoop, but all the ones I've seen were raced. I may try to find another way to attach it without drilling. The Bel Air scoop was functional, it had a triangular hole cut in the hood. I bought it from the fellow who installed it, he had it on a 409/409 62 Impala and the install looked factory.

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

The scoop will look in keeping with the pie crust slicks, for sure. Just looked up a pic of a '63 SD Cat, and it does have a mean look about it. For that matter, you could probably still find a spare hood somewhere for it if you wanted to change back.

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

DonSSDD wrote:
I've had the same thoughts on drilling holes, but since this will not be a show car, I'd like to use it if I can. It changes the whole image of the car with the pie crust?
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I guess having a second (non-scooped) hood would be the solution, in case you wanted to make it look "original" again.

Great project Don.....looking real good.

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Thanks very much for the comments, as with everything, it takes more time and money that you think.

MoboMac · Poncho Master!

On the 3/8 " fuel line upgrade......do the line clips on the frame need to upsized.....or can you use the existing 5/16" ones...?

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

You need larger clips, I have used the off the shelf ones from NAPA etc., unless you are getting a parts order from the US. The line gets routed differently, it goes through the x frame tunnel (at least it did on the 62, haven't done the 63 yet) under the A arm on the passenger side, check your assembly manual.
Don