Expensive options, not in my car

ABC123 · Uber Guru

Expensive options, not in my car

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

order the paperwork from GM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Here ya go Randy---

http://www.vintagevehicleservices.com/options.html

dcneric · Poncho Master!

My 69 Parisienne that I had in high school was a 350 2bbl glide, ps, manual drum brakes with full disc wheel covers.

My parents 69 Strato Chief had the th350, 350 2bbl, ps, manual drums, poverty caps and cloth insert seats. It was a "demonstrator" for the Pontiac dealer in Saskatoon.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Rear seat speakers in 69/70 convertibles seem to be there about half the time. I've seen some with and some without.

2plus2 · Veteran Member

no verts with the 6cyl all v8s
2+2,Grande Parisienne,Safari De Luxe/Custom/Estate Wagon all had V8s only,the Strato,Laurentian,non vert Parisiennes and Safaris had the 6cyl as a option
the PG was available on the 250 and 350 only,no big blocks
this info is from the brochure and being the 60s im sure if you knew someone who knew someone at GM you could order whatever you wanted

North · Guru

Typically in late 60's GM pedal bright trim became tied to the decor group rather than power brakes as had been the case earlier, but I'm not 100% sure about 69 Canadian Pontiac.

I recall seeing many powerglides in lower priced late 60's cars like Parisienne and impala. My friend had a 69 in the 80's, I think a Laurentian, it had the 6 and the power glide, that car was so underpowered it should of never been allowed on highways.

ABC123 · Uber Guru

First off, Dealing with John at Vintage Vehicle services was a pleasure.

As an automotive assembler it's fun talking to others involved in car production.

The package answered a lot of questions but some still exist.

John suggested that Old Mill may have ordered the car and donated it in whole to the Service group as this type of generous donation was common of the dealers of that time.

The 3 speed transmission was standard in the 69 Parisienne but the two speed Powerglide was an option.

The poverty caps were standard but the dealer opted for whitewall tires.

I let a set of those black GM floor mats go about 15 years ago looks like I will be in the market for another set !

In reading the brochure John sent with the package it looks like power steering and power brakes were standard.

I could not find a description for Z49 but this may have been PS & PB

Or would power steering and power brakes been listed on the doc as J50 as in the brochure ?

So this is what I have.

pontiac history2.jpg

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Z49 doesn't specify what the base equipment is.........must be a list somewhere.

Z49 Canadian Base Equipment

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t61815342/gm-master-code-list-rpo-regular-production-option-and-build-/

-- Edited by Greaser on Thursday 20th of October 2016 12:48:07 PM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Wow, you are not kidding it's plain!

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I inherited a set of reproduction front and rear black mats when 67rag396 (Rick) passed away almost 5 years ago, let me see if I've still got them.

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 20th of October 2016 08:50:51 PM

CdnGMfan · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

For dealer stock, and especially for a raffle car they want to be able to say that it has power steering, power brakes, a V8 and an automatic. Of course the power brakes were drums and the automatic was only a Powerglide, but it is sufficient for most average driving. Buyers looking to comparative shop for a new car can be very price-conscious; a Powerglide will shave a few bucks off the sticker over a hydramatic and most people won't notice the difference in normal driving (or at least a test drive).

Power steering and power brakes were not standard on any 1969 Big Canadian Pontiac. You could even get a Grande Parisienne with a 3-in-the-tree, manual steering and manual drums. If it isn't on the GM paperwork then perhaps the dealer installed the p/s & p/b. It is funny but more cars out there that you wouldn't expect to have a Powerglide actually did come with it. I have made a habit of checking the shift quadrants of old cars and have seen a surprising number of Powerglides in cars like, say 69 Impala Custom coupes.

Z49 Canadian Base Equipment typically includes a few upgrades for Canada like perhaps a higher output starter and a high amp battery, plus any mandatory stuff to be sold in Canada. Really it varied from year to year and is hard to dig up specific info on. There was actually a GM Canada option in 1967 & 68; RPO Z46 Cold Cranking Equipment. It included a h.d battery, h.d. alternator, h.d. battery cables and even an ultra-high starter. By 69 it was dropped but some items like the starter may have been upgraded as base equipment for Canada by then anyway (just speculating here).

ABC123 · Uber Guru

Thanks everyone,

The Lady who won the car was 49 when she won the car.

She was a small person but a dynamite stick.

The son in-law told me a few stories about her when I bought the car.

I could see her marching her fresh winning car back to the dealership and demanding PS & PB.

John warned me before the search that some people are disappointed by the results

I told him that If the car was a non power car, I would not be taking off the power to make the car authentic biggrin

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

As I read your post it reminded me of when I bought my car. It too didn't have any options, no power brakes or steering or top. SD with no options and a six cylinder. Previous owner told me that it was originally a prize car for a Rotary or some type of club fundraiser draw in Saskatchewan. I was never able to contact the owners further back to validate this as truth but it sure has provided a smile or two for me and our family over the years.

North · Guru

My Wagon (a 69 Ventura) was won on an Good Morning America type show in December 68. Sort of...

He actually won a 69 Firebird with almost no options (whitewalls and an AM radio... nothing else), but they told him he could take any Pontiac he wanted and pay the difference. So he ordered this wagon which cost about $5k with the options and paid $2k for it. The PHS has a notation about the TV show on it and I also have the letter from PMD head office telling him to go to any local dealer to pick up his free car.

His son never could understand why he took a wagon, it only was driven once a month for 46 years and never had anything in the back. Stored indoors all its life and today the only thing touched is a set of tires and an NOS tailpipe. Paint, interior is original and never detailed, engine still has factory plugs, wires, you name it.

ABC123 · Uber Guru

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ABC123 · Uber Guru

They like to say "A NEW CAR" and everybody is excited.

well, maybe not everyone biggrin

Now put a 427 in that !!!

I'm talking about the car.

She's got to be 70 now.

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Actually the more they fill new cars with superfluous tech gadgets, the more I appreciate the old cars with no options. Quite a contrast between then and now.

I imagine that nobody would buy a car today without A/C, power windows etc etc. All the stuff that I used to think could only be afforded by "rich people" when I was a kid has mostly become standard equipment today - and then there's stuff on them now that I couldn't even have dreamed of back then...

CdnGMfan · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

"I'll take the Pontiac Acadian 1+1 over there, please." The Acadian 1+1 was also known as a Chevette Scooter. For 1976 it didn't even have a back seat or a glove box door, let alone a radio or radials.

Dad bought a new Biscayne 6-cylinder 4-door in January 1970. The option list consisted of h.d. suspension ($5), h.d. battery ($5) and G78-15 blackwall tires (maybe $15). It had manual steering, brakes & transmission. No radio (block-off retained but a removable under-dash AM/FM/SW was present). It went coast to coast from Vancouver Island to Newfoundland, had been to Florida twice, was driven across the states (crossed the Bonneville Salt Flats & the Arizona Desert) on our way to California and even ventured into Mexico. Five people, a trailer and sometimes a boat on top.

Hey, North, that Ventura wagon looks amazing. Really the Ventura was an upscale interior option for the Catalina series. Is it a 400 under the hood?

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

With that background I can see why you have an affection for the 250's! I have one in my 69 chevy truck in front of a TH350 and it is such a lovable, dependable, easy maintenance old beast I don't think I'd ever dump it for a V8.

Course my tire smoking days are pretty much over...

The only thing I would like to do is toss off the old one barrel and set up a fuel injection.

North · Guru

The Catalina wagon has an odd mix of options; 2 seater, standard engine 400-290 which is a 2bbl but high compression, th400, 2.73 open diff, Ventura option (basically nicer seats and door panels etc), AC, AM radio, tinted glass all around, lamp group (cornering lights, hood light, cargo area light, extra dash warning lights (low Fuel, belts, lights)), roof rack, rear deflector, power tailgate window.

Car was actually quite expensive, $5k or $6k Canadian but since she was ordered without the decor group it has that US Forest Service feel. Since the Catalina was the base model the lack of the decor group explains the dog dish, the lack of bright trim around the side windows and the hard plastic plain Jane steering wheel.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

With respect to ABC123's car the oddest thing on that documentation to my eye is the 350 2bbl 250 HP Tonawanda, NY engine. I can't recall ever seeing a 350 2bbl Tonawanda engine in an Oshawa car before. The 300 HP 350 4bbl's came from Tonawanda though but that 350 2bbl usually was from McKinnon, in St. Catharines, ON. I'm sure someone will have another example to show but first time seeing that for me.