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Power windows installation and related issues (1965 Parisienne)


Hey there, I'm starting this separate thread to walk through the process and discuss any issues related.

 

So I got the kit, which harness looks like it's from 64 according to the wire colors.

Thanks to advice of the experts I figured that the plates were the holes for harness should be on 65 are able to be knocked out, will test that once I get correct conduit boots.

I cleaned and lubed all the mechanisms and motors and now 8 have a couple issues. 

1. I'm not 100% sure mechanisms are from 65. What's the way to figure out if they are 65 or 64? And if they are 64, will they fit 65? Door mechanisms have 7788 stamped on them and that seems to be the only identification, quatrers have 16 stamped. Motors seem to be the same for 64 and 65, but can't confirm.

2. I layed evening out on the ground, hooked to battery power and got nothing. I assume they need to be grounded? If so, what would be the best way to test it without mounting everything? 

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I can help with this as I've done a number of power window conversions and specifically twice on exactly this application.

Have you seen this thread?

Power window, power vent, power lock conversion - Canadian Poncho (activeboard.com)

65 and 66 are the same, 64 and older is different, 67 and up is different. The regulators must be from a 1965-1966 full size Chev Olds Pontiac or Buick.

I happen to have a set of regulators for 65-66 hardtop here right now so I can get you some pictures for comparison.

To test them, hook up a battery ground to the regulator then power up either one of the 2 terminals in the motor. Regulator should move one direction, if you remove the power and power the other terminal it should move the other direction.

 

 



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One thing to keep in mind, the power regulator bolts (4) do NOT go in the same mounting holes that the manual regulator bolts (4) used.

I will get a picture of that as well so you can see where they mount. That is one question that always comes up when guys are converting manual to power. The natural inclination is to try to bolt the power regulator in where the manual regulator was bolted and that is not where it fits.

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Ouch, so there should be lots drilling involved?

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I big hole in the metal behind the kick panel for the inner grommet on the boot.

4 very small holes in the inner door skin to mount the regulator. That's it for drilling.



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4SPEED427 wrote:

I big hole in the metal behind the kick panel for the inner grommet on the boot.

4 very small holes in the inner door skin to mount the regulator. That's it for drilling.


 Are there dimples on the inner door skin to guide where to drill?



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You bet.

This picture shows the fronts. The bottom 2 regulator bolts are just above the 2 white/gray wires and the top 2 bolts are straight up from the bottom bolts about 6".

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Neilvermilion wrote:

Hey there, I'm starting this separate thread to walk through the process and discuss any issues related.

 

So I got the kit, which harness looks like it's from 64 according to the wire colors.

Thanks to advice of the experts I figured that the plates were the holes for harness should be on 65 are able to be knocked out, will test that once I get correct conduit boots.

I cleaned and lubed all the mechanisms and motors and now 8 have a couple issues. 

1. I'm not 100% sure mechanisms are from 65. What's the way to figure out if they are 65 or 64? And if they are 64, will they fit 65? Door mechanisms have 7788 stamped on them and that seems to be the only identification, quatrers have 16 stamped. Motors seem to be the same for 64 and 65, but can't confirm.

2. I layed evening on the ground, hooked to battery power and got nothing. I assume they need to be grounded? If so, what would be the best way to test it without mounting everything? 

IMG_20241022_154302.jpg


 I'm not positive, but I don't think those are 65-66...



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I saw someone is selling 64 kit , there are some inconsistencies with what i have on both fronts and rears. some arm tips shapes are different, holes seem also different, plus reinforcement emboss. So i'm hoping it's not being from 61-64...

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And here the kit posted as 65, the fonts seem identical to mine except this short lever embossed reinforcement missing on his. (maybe they did an upgrade some time due to lever failure?). 

The rear ones the guy selling don't look like they are from 2 door though.

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I'll be back to you with pictures a bit later this morning. I know the ones I have are 65-66 because I pulled them out of the car myself just a couple of weeks ago.



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Ok, let's start with a front.

Pivot to centre of scissor on the long arm  11 5/16"

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Rollers on the scissor arm 14 1/4"

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Pivot points on the big gear and the end of the long arm 4 1/8"

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Mounting bolt holes  8 1/8" apart on the long side

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Rears now.

Pivot to centre of roller 10 5/8"

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Pivot points on arm from gear to regulator arm with the roller on it 7"

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Pivot on big gear to pivot on arm that has the roller at the end 6 1/8"

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I didn't take a picture showing the mounting holes for the bolts but they are 9" apart top to bottom.

 



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And a shot of fronts and of rears. As you can see I have them zip tied so there's a pair in each picture.

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ouch, the fronts have completely different measurements, the rears look the same.

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Neilvermilion wrote:

 

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 I agree with you, your fronts look wrong. Your rears are fine, mine even have the same number inked on the motors as mine. 

And none of your front measurements correspond with mine?



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my measurements are:

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i was told they are from 66 Bonneville though....



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Well, just to be 100% sure I checked the factory installed power windows in my 66 Grande Parisienne. First thing I checked was your green measurement of 11 3/4" and there is no way that is from a 66 Bonneville 2 door hardtop. The measurement on mine is 14 1/4" just like the regulators out of the car that I measured for you.

But your rears are correct. I wonder if maybe he had two sets, one from a 2 door hardtop and one from a 4 door hardtop, and got the fronts mixed up between the 2 sets?

I just can't figure it but you certainly won't get those fronts to fit your car.

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Your red measurement, (7") is 11 1/4" on my front regulator.

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will check, thanks

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One typical issue I found with these old power units, is they are often fast down and slow going up causing stress on the motor etc. The problem is that over the years the spring loses it's tension from resting in the down position. I was able to solve this using vice grips on the hooked end of the spring and coiling it nearly a full turn to increase the pressure. A bit of a risky move but it paid off. They're as quick up as down.



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So you took the spring off the hook and wound it up one more round?



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I didn't take it right off, just unhooked the end using vice grips and forced or stretched about a 1/2-3/4 turn. I did this a long time ago and had to do it a couple times to get the tension right. At first they went up quicker than going down and in time sort of balanced out.



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If you didn't do a full turn what did you hook the spring to? Somehow I can only picture it going a full turn to hook onto the same tab the factory hooks it to.

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Never mind, I was just thinking about it. If the other end opposite the outer locking tab is indexed the other way in the slot it sits in, that would give an extra 1/2 turn. Great idea, I had never thought of doing that.


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