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RE: 1965 '396" Pontiac Parisienne


Ya my Dad got his every three years about then too. 

Now here's the thing, if it was the fall of 64, then that makes it a very early production car and we know that the 396 was not put into production until mid year in 1965 at the Tonawanda plant.  I am going to say that a 1965 Custom Sport purchased in October 1964 could not possibly have a 396.

It is possible that it was October 1965 in which case the car would be hanging around the lot as a new and unsold 1965 in which case it could be a late build and if the 396 was available that would be plausible.

A third case is it was a 1966.

How's your almost 60 memory Chris?


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Could have been Ray, but I remember the winter of '64 Xmas going North to Owen Sound in that anemic blue Chev because it got whacked coming home on highway 10 in Brampton. Hit by a drunk, I was asleep in the back seat and ended up on the floor. We got a cab to Clarkson from there and my dad got another 65 Chev, this one was brown. Kept it until "fall of '66 and got a new , wait for it FORD.

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My dad is here visiting and I asked him (he will soon be 80) and he says I am out by 1 year as he had to keep the green Biscayne longer on an extended lease. So his mind is better than mine and you are probably correct with the fall of '65

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ive seen Feb. 1965 as a option production start in the US?
the earliest 396  vette i think is march  1965



-- Edited by 68sd on Monday 20th of December 2010 10:13:02 PM

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check this out 1 of 1 1964 factory 396 vette

1964 Chevy Corvette Sting Ray - The Perfect Pink Pearl

First 396-Powered Sting Ray Built For Chevy Boss' Wife
From the February, 2009 issue of Corvette Fever
By Scott Ross
Photography by Jerry Heasley
1964 Sting Ray Side View
Standing Tall ::: This Pink...
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1964 Sting Ray Side View
Standing Tall ::: This Pink Pearl '64 Sting Ray was a special Chevrolet Styling/Engineering project by then-Chevy boss Semon "Bunkie" Knudsen for his wife, Florence. Along with the non-standard Pink Pearl paint, other cues that this midyear differs from other '64s are the domed hood, '65-style fender louvers and rocker panel trim, and the "396" fender badges. The pink color scheme extends to the "pinkwall" tires. Behind the three-prong knockoffs are prototype four-wheel disc brakes.


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first Z16

in late December, 1964, a Malibu SS rolled off the assembly line at Chevrolets Baltimore, Maryland assembly plant. It was a nice SS and loaded with options, but really not that special: Regal Red with a black vinyl top and black interior and options were power steering, power brakes, power windows, tilt wheel, AM-FM radio, two speed wipers ..and a 300hp 327 with a four speed trans. It is probably not a coincidence that the car was equipped this way. According to former 1960s Chevrolet Engineering employee Art Armstrong, Engineering specified the equipment they wanted and the car was ordered by D.H. McPherson or a subordinate to have as many options and details as near their specifications for the Z16 as possible.

Upon completion the third week of December at the Baltimore plant, instead of the normal shipment to a dealer, this car was immediately shipped to the Chevrolet Engineering Tech Center in Detroit, Michigan where it arrived by December 21, 1964. The Engineering Center then began the task of converting this car into the first Z16. Many of the unique Z16 parts were, of course, not yet in production, so many of them were hand built and fitted. Apparently, once the prototype parts were deemed satisfactory, they were approved for production.

D.H. McPherson was the executive in charge of the project and reportedly drove this prototype for some months after it was built. Art Armstrong believes it very likely the car saw time at the Milford Proving Ground (Chevrolets test track and facility near Detroit) as was common with pilot cars and test mules. The official assignment of the car to the Engineering Center was for an experimental check. It was sold by Engineering (through a dealer) in February 1966.

Chevrolet General Manager Bunkie Knudsen, introduced the Z16 at Chevrolets Desert Proving Ground in Arizona in February or March, 1965. An article in the May, 1965 issue of Mechanix Illustrated confirms this. The first known Kansas City built production Z16 was built in late February, 1965, so it stands to reason that the two prototype pilot cars were two of the cars at the introduction.

While the #1 Z16 appears like all other normal Z16s at first glance, there are a great many small details that the Chevrolet enthusiast will pick up on. Sample, Experimental and vendor tags and markings on many parts make the #1 Z16 not only unlike any other Z16, but a true one-of-a-kind car!


All factory Mark IV big block Corvettes, Camaros, Novas, Impalas likely followed this car.None known have an earlier build date.


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Sorry to burst the bubble Chris, so it was a '66. Still cool as Hell.

Fred, that pink Corvette is absolutely stunning. The interior colour combo is incredible.


-- Edited by 73SC on Monday 20th of December 2010 10:03:54 PM

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i wonder if Carl will like it!



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this is the first 396 vette

  • DESCRIPTION1965 CHEVROLET CORVETTE, 1965 CORVETTE '396' COUPE #12,864. THIS CORVETTE IS RECOGNIZED AS THE "FIRST" BIG BLOCK CORVETTE PRODUCED AS A REGULAR PRODUCTION OPTION AT THE ST. LOUIS CORVETTE PLANT FOR CUSTOMER DELIVERY. TO DATE NO OTHER EARLIER REAL RPO-L78 CORVETTE HAS BEEN DOCUMENTED. THROUGH HIS CONTACTS AT CHEVROLET, CORVETTE RACE CAR DRIVER CLIFF GOTTLOB KNEW THAT CHEVROLET WAS PLANNING TO OFFER A BIG BLOCK ENGINE OPTION IN THE CORVETTE. IN OCTOBER 1964, CLIFF, WHILE SERVING IN THE ARMED FORCES OVERSEAS, PLACED A SPECIAL ORDER FOR THE FIRST '396' CORVETTE WITH THE HELP OF RALPH MILLER AND VINCE PIGGINS OF CHEVROLET. AFTER MANY DELAYS CORVETTE #194375S112864 WAS FINALLY BUILT ON FRIDAY, MARCH 19,1965. IT WAS DELIVERED TO QUALITY CHEVROLET IN WICHITA,KS AND WAS SHOWROOM DISPLAYED UNTIL RELEASED TO CLIFF ON FRIDAY, MARCH 26,1965. THE CAR WAS DRAG RACED EXTENSIVELY THE FIRST YEAR OF ITS LIFE AND PROVED THE DOMINANCE OF THE BIG BLOCK ENGINE. FORTUNATELY, THE CAR WAS NOT MODIFIED AND SURVIVES TODAY AS A TRIBUTE TO THE BIRTH OF THE BIG BLOCK ENGINE(IN 1967 CLIFF ORDERED THE 1967 L-88 CORVETTE THAT HE RACED UNTIL HE SOLD IT TO DAVID BURROUGHS). ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT OPTIONS ORDERED BY CLIFF WERE THE 425HP396 ENGINE,CLOSE RATIO 4-SPEED TRANSMISSION,4:11 POSITRACTION REAR AXLE,TANSISTORIZED IGNITION,TINTED GLASS,AM-FM RADIO AND GOLD LINE TIRES. SIDE EXHAUST AND KNOCK-OFF WHEELS WERE ADDED AT A LATER DATE. THE CAR HAS SPENT ALL OF ITS LIFE IN KANSAS AND OKLAHOMA(I PURCHASED THE CAR IN 1985). THE CAR WAS INVITED TO THE 1995 BLOOMINGTON GOLD SPECIAL COLLECTION - TRIBUTE TO THE 1963-1967 STING RAY CORVETTES(IN PICTURE). THIS MILESTONE CORVETTE IS OFFERED FROM MY PERSONAL COLLECTION. PRICE IS $265,396.00.


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and this is our latest so far canadian 409 car
1965
April 19th 1965 76637     409ci          A        (285 red)    Saskatchewan    link
#761551    Custom Sport 2dr hrdtp   M20   Tuxedo Black   %%   Oldsledguy


and earliest  396 car
Nov.8th 1965     76657  hrdtp  396ci       Y   (578 black) Alberta      link 
Grande parisienne         Lemonwood yellow            66 Grande Guy
E. Motors -Lethbridge Alberta









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whoops smile

what would i do without your proofreading,lol


-- Edited by 68sd on Tuesday 21st of December 2010 12:04:23 AM

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Hey, who edited my quote?evileyelaughing.gif

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this is the earliest 396 car we have  ,my mistake

1966
Nov.8th 1965     76657  hrdtp  396ci       Y   (578 black) Alberta      link 
Grande parisienne         Lemonwood yellow            66 Grande Guy
E. Motors -Lethbridge Alberta


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biggrin I give up!!! My post looks goofy now for sure!!!confuse

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i posted a 67 by mistake

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I deleted that one post to avoid confusing people.

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Jeepers what a roller coaster ride of a thread.

409's, 396's, Derailed then back on the rails.

At least the pink Corvette fit into the Ballet section nicely.  smile

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I don't know what i want to know more, were 409 last used in Canadian Ponchos or did 396's get into them?

I think it would be nice to make a project 1965 396 car, one of nones are always pretty neat.


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you dont want to know how many 66s grands i stripped for parts over the years so a 65 could servive

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1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)

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68sd wrote:

this is the earliest 396 car we have  ,my mistake

1966
Nov.8th 1965     76657  hrdtp  396ci       Y   (578 black) Alberta      link 
Grande parisienne         Lemonwood yellow            66 Grande Guy
E. Motors -Lethbridge Alberta


https://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae36/canadianponcho/1000197.jpg


-- Edited by 68sd on Tuesday 21st of December 2010 12:22:12 AM



I didn't know that!   I'm sure more will surface over time though but the thought of my momentary fame is kind of enervating!  I had vowed not to post any more on the forums until I had at least he front sheet metal back on the old girl, but based on how how absolulely terrible my attempts  at making one good inner fender out of two bad ones is turning out, it was going to be quite a while, and I couldn't stand it.

( As I sidenote, it would appear that I just can't crank down the amperage on my little Lincolm Mig 180 enough to keep from burning through the sheet metal.  i used to do most of my rust repair with a light hand and a small tip on the oxy acetylene and I may have to go back to that.  Any suggestions from the pros would be welcome!


 

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these are our earliest by model so far for big block 66s, i stopped at Feburary

1966
Nov.8th 1965     76657  hrdtp  396ci       Y   (578 black) Alberta      link 
Grande parisienne         Lemonwood yellow            66 Grande Guy
E. Motors -Lethbridge Alberta

Nov. 16th 1965         16435    396ci L35    A  (870 fawn)   Alberta    link
Impala wagon   M20  Tuxedo Black  A01 A31 F40 G80 A75 G67
StedelBauer Chev Olds LTD.-Edmonton Alberta

Nov. 26th 1965   76467  A51  396ci    F   (573 parchment & black) Alberta  link
#712693    Custom Sport conv.   M40    Marina Blue  /TP-10-white top
A31 U75                                                           spotted by sixtywagon

Dec.1st 1965    73617  A51     396ci  L34    F    (393 ivory)       ontario link
SD 396 2dr hrdtp        M20         Marina Blue               spot. by 427carl

A02 F40 G80 K66 K02 P01 U80 Brooks Pontiac Buick Ltd.-Nanaimo B.C

Jan. 13th 1966    76657    396ci L35    Blue   (parchment int.)  Manitoba  link
Grande Parisienne 2 dr hrdtp    M20     A51               Carl Stevenson


Jan.17th 1966    76657   396ci L35    C   (585 parchment & black) Alberta  link
Grande Parisienne 2dr hrdtp  M20  Provincial White T-27 black vinyl top   Kijiji
College Service LTD. -Olds Alberta

Jan. 17th 1966   13617 A51  L34 396ci    M    (790 med bronze bucket)   link
#234880     Malibu SS hrdtp       M20      Aztec bronze

A51 F40 G80 A02 P01 U16 Kam Motors Ltd.Fort William Ontario


Jan. 17th 1966     76467 A51    396ci        R    (571 red buckets)  Alberta   link
#726335     Custom Sport conv.   M40    Regal Red-Top 10-white
Spotted by 66 Grande guy

Jan. 20th 1966  73617  A51     396ci L34      2D   (387 blue)  B.C        link
#834702       Sport Deluxe 2dr hrdtp    M20     Mist Blue met.    spot.jmont64


Jan. 21st1966    13667   396ci L34      Y    (763 black )    Alberta       link
Malibu SS 396 conv.   M20   Lemmonwood Yellow/Top-02 black top
A51 C06 K05 N34 N40 P01 P65 U16                          ,Caminokid
Carter Chev Olds Ltd.-Winnipeg Manitoba

Feb. 1st 1966     76437     396ci L35     C     (546 plum)   B.C          link
Parisienne 2dr hrdtp    M40    Provincial White                      kijiji
A01 A39 F40 J50 K05 N10 N40 P01 P78 U63 U75 U80
Mayhew Motors Ltd.-Drayton Valley Alberta

Feb. 9th 1966    13617  A51    396ci L34   P   (763 black)       no pic
#237829    Malibu SS 396 2dr hrdtp   M20   Plum Mist met.


Feb. 18th 1966     16647     427ci L36     N    (815 black)   Ontario     link
Caprice 2dr hrdtp    M40    Madeira Maroon/TP-27 black vinyl top
A02 A39 C08 J50 N33 N40 P78
Belisle Automobiles Ltd.-Ottawa Ontario


-- Edited by 68sd on Wednesday 29th of December 2010 12:20:52 PM

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Hmmm, still fairly few and far between. Still more out there though.




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