67 SD396 Convertible on Ebay

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RE: 67 SD396 Convertible on Ebay

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

And on the opposite side of the scale, to be fair, I have to state that not one guy on Steve's Nova Site complained when I brought my Arizona 67 Nova SS "home" to Canada.

And think of the shock that poor car experiences. It grew up in Arizona and right now it's in an uninsulated shed where the temperature can reach -30 if it hits -35 outside.

Not that it justifies the mentality but possibly we think of our unique Canadian cars being such a small portion of the musclecar hobby as a whole that it makes us happy when they stay in Canada. As I say, that doesn't make it right but possibly that is where the thinking comes from.

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I too have been watching this possible sale with great interest obviously because of the car that it is. I also wouldn't mind having it but right now I'm a 1 car guy and I think I'll keep it that way for a while. Having said that I keep thinking about the value of this car and other Beaumonts and the Canadian cars represented on this forum. I sometimes wonder if we who are on this forum (1300 of us strong) get a little caught up with the value of our cars because of the rarity of them and all the discussion we generate about them. But in some ways that thinking may not go far out of this forum. I think of a friend of mine here in the valley who has been a car collector for a few years and has a very nice collection of between 8-10 cars. He is a GM guy through and through but when I'm with him discussing Beaumonts and Acadians I get the feeling they really don't hold any significant value to him at all. He has mainly Camaros and Chevelles and I'm sure he has invested close to a million dollars,if not more,in them so I respect his taste and his opinion. He obviously is in a different league than me when it comes to buying cars but I'm guessing there could well be a half a dozen guys on this forum that could cut a cheque tomorrow for this car and not bat an eye. Having observed it not selling yet and I realize our economical situation (but that really is mostly hitting us regular type guys) makes a difference I wonder if we don't just trump up the value of these cars because we surround ourselves with likemindedness. To me I still like them most for their uniqueness much like Norm stated above and the value to me is very secondary. The money I put into mine wasn't put in as an investment, it was to enjoy and my wife thinks it keeps me out of trouble some of the time.

Jerhra · Addicted!

Guys, when I take one of my Canadian cars to a show, they receive a lot of attention, and I get a lot of questions. A lot of genuine interest from people, most of which have never seen an Acadian or Beaumont. Before purchasing my cars, I had only seen one Beaumont at a Super Chevy Show about 5 years ago. The only other car was Joe Grom's, of Chevy 2 Only (67 Invader Wagon last year).

But every time I see a Canadian car for sale, it never gets the respect (in value) of it's southern counterparts. When I bought my 67 (Ken's old car), the dealer said he had sold about 5 Chevelles, while he had the Beaumont for sale. I did not buy the cars I own to resale, but I do consider them an investment, and I am really surprised at the fact that they are more rare and documented and do not bring more money.

I try to get my cars out in the public as much as possible. I should have made the extra effort to take one to the POCI Convention this past summer. I think they need (a lot) more exposure (in person, magazines, articles) to help with the education of the collector car public, and to add to their value. I got excited when they kind of hiped the 67 Beaumont on Barret Jackson before the sale, only for it to sale at (I think) at $26000. I try to do my part. I think they are special. Everything is cyclical. I worked in the Auto Industry.

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

forespeed wrote:

I'm very disappointed to read all the comments concerning keeping the Canadian built cars in Canada. I consider myself as worthy an owner as any Canadian would be. I have continually upgraded the features of my Acadian every year since I first bought it. I bought the car in Montreal only after a Canadian buyer backed out because his wife said "no way".
I drove all the way to BC to buy my 62 Nova (Canadian Built) convertible and drove it home to Michigan.
I have attended "Autofest" in Oshawa twice, first time with my 62 Nova Convertible. Most of the people, when they found out I was from the U.S. wanted to talk about U.S. built muscle cars. Not one person really had an interest in my unrestored 62 Canadian built Nova.
The next time I attended Autofest, I was thrilled when they said to line up for awards. I thought "Wow" people did notice this is one of less than 500 1963 Acadian Beaumont SD cars and the trouble I went to finding the missing original trim pieces to return it to an original appearing car with suspension and drivetrain mods.
Once in the awards line, I discovered we were receiving the long distance award. I was embarrassed, ask me to parade my resto-mod rare Canadian built car with all the people's choice cars because I drove 2-3 hundred miles to attend.
In the last few months I have had my cars up for sale mainly because I can't seem to keep up with two cars and my pension future is still unknown. Also, my benefits have all vanished so that is all out of pocket expense now. During this time the convertible has drawn the most attention because it is cheaper and a convertible. In all the 10-15 people I have had very interested and I believe each one was a potential buyer, not one was interested due to the Canadian Heritage. In the last 10 years, I have only personally known of one other Canadian built 62 Nova Convertible and this car has a power top when they didn't offer a power top in the U.S. in the 1962 Novas.
Documentation says 1451 built and I know that there were 1250 1962 Acadian Convertibles built. Not many of them survived.
So, I have not gained anything money wise by owning these two Canadian built cars. The consensus is that heritage does not add to the value one bit. I sure haven't seen an added increase in potential buyers. I haven't had hundred's of Canadian's calling me in response to my Canadian Car ads. I own these cars because I like to be a little different. Sometimes it seems like fellow Nova owners don't spend any extra time going over my car because they know they cannot duplicate it. They know you can't go to eBay and bid on one tomorrow so they don't want to give you the satisfaction of knowing they like your car better than their own.
I'm not a disgruntled owner, I'm not a disgruntled U.S. citizen, I'm just a car guy like all of you and I drink Canadian Beer because I like it, just like I like my Canadian Cars.

-- Edited by forespeed on Sunday 13th of December 2009 02:50:45 PM

I agree with you. I don't think it matters where a car resides as long as the person who has it values & looks after it. I've got American cars I imported from the US, and Canadian cars I was able to source in Canada.

It's nice to be able to keep the unique Canadian cars in country, but it is as unrealistic to expect that as it is to expect that Canadian collectors are not going to continue to buy cars in the US - something I was working on just a couple of weeks ago.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

It's nice to be able to keep the unique Canadian cars in country, but it is as unrealistic to expect that as it is to expect that Canadian collectors are not going to continue to buy cars in the US - something I was working on just a couple of weeks ago.

I would say you summed it up there very well. When m American friend came here and bought his 66 Canso SD it was a screamin' deal. The car was about 12,500 here but it actually cost him in the 8's in his money. He could hardly believe it. We went out for a steak that night (4 of us) and he paid. He said when he got his bill with the conversion on it he could hardly believe that 4 of us went out for a good steak and it cost him about 70 bucks. Stuff like that will bring more Americans here to buy our cars.

And on the other side, when I brought my 67 Nova home from the US our dollar was stronger than the US dollar so it was worth less when valued for duty than I had paid in US dollars.

Like was said, it's cyclical.

65sssd · Poncho Master!

I have to admitt I bought a U.S Duramax two years ago. It was 26500.00 Canadian, it had 40000 KM on it, and it would of cost 40000.00 in Canada. The dollar was at par. This rag is 1 of 66 and my 4 rags are 4 of 300 and change. You can buy a project for 10000.00 and that is what this car is. I'm not saying a 396 rag is worth 10000.00 but it needs to be priced as a project and not a finished car.

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Don't forget the car is a complete driver My friend at the body shop, can repair the lower quarters, and replace the door with a new unit, and the car can be enjoyed w/o spending 35g

My other friends 402 Monte had been going every summer with Restore in the tired engine (since 1986) lol not every car has to be a trailer queen

6T7SD396 · Veteran Member

Nothing is wrong with the lower quarters but if you were doing a body off you would have to put new quarters on so you don't see the seams from the welds. There is absolutely no rust on the quarters.
I am still amazed at the fact that no one has even bought my car for even a future investment or private collection maybe the big man upstairs wants me to keep it. Who knows.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

David, I have been reading this thread with interest as well. Obviously there is no one on this site who is prepared to step up so you have to expand the exposure to spread the word. Other than evilbay, where else have you advertised this car for sale?

6T7SD396 · Veteran Member

I have not advertised anywhere else because I am so tired of everyone being all excited and requesting all of the pictures and info just to either knock the car down by saying no one knows about the Canadian cars or they are not worth the same money as the Chevelles. It is very frustrating to say the least so I am relying on the CP site and word of mouth. I am actively trying to get funds elsewhere and if I get it I will no longer be selling the car. I have thought about re-listing the car on e-bay and adding Chevelle (I wish I didn't have to stoop so low) to the description to get a wider range of buyers but we will see what the next couple of days brings.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

this would be a nice ride for Santa to load all his gift in this Christmas !

When he's done he can leave the car at my place !

ak 67sd · Poncho Master!

bump... its back up on ebay...

ak

m21bud · Addicted!

I don't normally chime in on rants etc, but I'm for keeping them this side of the border as well. I too would give up a reasonable $ to do so. You are thinking as a business, which I respect as I am in the Automotive business, but your on the wrong forum for that train of thought. This is ALL about passion. It wouldn't be here if it was all business. Let's all help by telling anyone we know. I will.
I hope he gets ALL the money, and get's it in CANADA! and yes I am passionate.

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I just watched the bj auction where the yellow Beaumont sold. The buyer was excited , couldn't believe he got it for 24'000. Said he was willing to go up to 40'000. Now that's passion! Seller shrugged his shoulders and said he had hoped for more, nut if bj says that's what it's worth. So be it.

Well bought , as they say !!!

Later...rog

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

There have been a lot of good comments in this thread. I will just say what I always say:

"The market is always right" which I guess is a kinder version of cash talks, bs walks.

It doesn't matter how many of us think that it is the "holy grail" or anything else, as always, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Clearly right now that does not even appear to be $25K. I did not see the yellow car on BJ, what condition was it in? Was it fully restored? If so, take your purchase cost and work backwards by deducting the cost of what the car needs.

I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but you just have to accept what the market is right now and no amount of cajoling or crying or ranting or wishing or hoping is going to change that. It is not that much different from the stock market. I have shares in several solid blue chip companies that I bought before the crash. These companies provide good products and services, are profitable, have good market share, are leaders in their respective fields, pay good dividends, etc. but their share prices right now are still less than half of what they were before the crash. I can jump up and down all I want, but that isn't going to change anything. I have two choices, I can accept what the market will offer for these shares now, or bide my time and wait and hope the market and prices go up again in the future, that's just the way it is.

This is why I asked earlier if the only place this car has been advertised is evilbay. If you want to increase your chances of selling, you are just going to have to invest the time and money getting the message out in more automotive classified sources. The market isn't going to come to you, you have to go to it.

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Well said!

IF , I had the loot for the 'Holy Grail', I personally wouldn't be so concerned about a frame off and building a glass room around it. I would be driving and enjoying it for what it is. It's not like it would be my daily driver.

no offence to anyone ,, and maybe I don't understand...ALL of my cars are driver quality at best ,, and that's why I like them.

It's silly , I have as much into all my cars as a frame of resto on a A-body Pontiac would be. I sometimes think I'm the fool , I spend my time maintaining a fleet rather than 1 beautiful car....and then I drive the 4spd 57 or pull a 14 boler behind my 64 Custom Sport from Prince Albert to Brandon for a Super Run with the family all comfy..then I remember why I have them !!

the car I was refering to had been mentioned in another post....

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/application/onlinesubmission/archivecarlist.aspx

BARRETT-JACKSON LOT: 336 - 1966 PONTIAC BEAUMONT 2 DOOR HARDTOP

Lot Number: 336
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Auction: LAS VEGAS 2009
Sale Price: *$27,500.00
Year: 1966
Make: PONTIAC
Model: BEAUMONT
Style: 2 DOOR HARDTOP
Exterior Color: YELLOW
Interior Color: BLACK
Cylinders: V8
Engine Size: 283
Transmission: AUTOMATIC
Summary: 283cid with Powerglide transmission, bucket seats, Pontiac Motor Division wheels and BFGoodrich tires. This little sports car will get a lot of attention when you drive down the road. Very few in the U.S.
Details: This Canadian built 1966 Pontiac Beaumont sports coupe is a car-lover's dream and an absolute head-turner. This deluxe 2 door hardtop, yellow exterior with black vinyl top is highly detailed inside and out. Under the hood it sports a 283cid engine. Inside you will find the amazing detailing continues. Bucket seats, Powerglide automatic on the floor and AM radio are just some of the interior restoration features. Outside, this beauty sits on four new BFGoodrich radial tires on Pontiac Motor Division wheels.

ak 67sd · Poncho Master!

m21bud wrote:

I don't normally chime in on rants etc, but I'm for keeping them this side of the border as well. I too would give up a reasonable $ to do so. You are thinking as a business, which I respect as I am in the Automotive business, but your on the wrong forum for that train of thought. This is ALL about passion. It wouldn't be here if it was all business. Let's all help by telling anyone we know. I will.
I hope he gets ALL the money, and get's it in CANADA! and yes I am passionate.

Are you refering to someone in particular? If its not me, then i don't care who, but if it is me, i don't understand your rant?

ak

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

as said before,,,,,building cars for most of us is not a business venture..it is about passion and an art form for the automobile.

I can't be the only one?? LOL !!

there a self help group out there,,,,and this is it !

later...rog

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

ak 67sd wrote:

bump... its back up on ebay...

ak

I see that-one day to go-no questions posted-the market died

David-I know I told you to post it at you bottom dollar with no resreve to weed out the crowd-but seeing this isn't working maybe try starting it low like $10,000 with a reserve just to drum up some interest-this week might be good with the holidays and all-

6T7SD396 · Veteran Member

Actually I have had a lot of questions and enquiries. I just don't post the responses. I had a nice guy message me saying that he has two original numbers matching 67 Big Block SD convertibles, one 4 speed and one auto. He said he knows about the site and will send me some pictures when he gets back from holidays. He will probably join the site as well.

I had another guy offer me $15K US for it saying that these cars are not worth more and he says that he owns 3 of the 67 BB SD convertibles. Well I politely told him what he can do with that 15K.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

6T7SD396 wrote:

Actually I have had a lot of questions and enquiries. I just don't post the responses. I had a nice guy message me saying that he has two original numbers matching 67 Big Block SD convertibles, one 4 speed and one auto. He said he knows about the site and will send me some pictures when he gets back from holidays. He will probably join the site as well.

I had another guy offer me $15K US for it saying that these cars are not worth more and he says that he owns 3 of the 67 BB SD convertibles. Well I politely told him what he can do with that 15K.

sounds like there "a lot" of 67 SD396 convertibles out there that we haven't heard about !

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

WELL! They did build 66

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

427carl wrote:

WELL! They did build 66

OK-looks like we're going to find them all !

65sssd · Poncho Master!

6T7SD396 wrote:

Actually I have had a lot of questions and enquiries. I just don't post the responses. I had a nice guy message me saying that he has two original numbers matching 67 Big Block SD convertibles, one 4 speed and one auto. He said he knows about the site and will send me some pictures when he gets back from holidays. He will probably join the site as well.

I had another guy offer me $15K US for it saying that these cars are not worth more and he says that he owns 3 of the 67 BB SD convertibles. Well I politely told him what he can do with that 15K.

15KKK??? A project rag and a auto??? You should keep it because you love the car.