Look what I found on Epay Motors Can you say 427 !

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

RE: Look what I found on Epay Motors Can you say 427 !

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Hey its all original!! He will get lots for the original wheels and tires on it...

-- Edited by 427carl on Tuesday 1st of September 2009 08:06:28 PM

Howmac · Guru

I'm familiar with this car , as the owner has just bought some parts from me.

BUT............on another note...

I just had another visitor today looking for parts I'm selling,who drove up in a 69 2+2 427/390 bucket seat convertible. Documented by GM Canada and 1 of 60 427/390 Convertibles.

White ( originally Black ) with red interior.

I've informed the owner of this website , as I'm sure everyone would appreciate this very rare car. I'm sure many did not know that this one was still around.

Hopefully theowners join this site , and share some pictures.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

65sssd wrote:

73SC wrote:

What's the story on the 68?

Also last week someone said they spotted a 69 2+2 427, can't recall who. If we had the VIN we would run it through Vintage.

Just trying to help you 2+2 guys out. It's a gem and cheap. Hopefully you will do the same for the 64-65 Beaumonts.

So what is the deal on that 68? Where is it listed and how much?

gtodrive · Guru

1969 2+2 Convertible with a 427 or is it a Parisienne?

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

Welcome to CP!.

Like US cars, Canadian GM products didn't include an engine digit in their Vins until 1972 model cars but Canadian built (and US built cars that were shipped new to Canadian dealers) are documentable through GM Canada Vintage Services...similar to the US Pontiac PHS documents..

Click here...
http://www.gm.ca/gm/english/shopping/parts/vintage

Engine options sometimes appear on the Cowl Tag of Canadian cars too so is worth looking for first..

Also if you want to disclose where the vehicle you're considering is others here may know the car and have first hand knowledge too..

-- Edited by Ghost Post on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 09:52:51 AM

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Is this the one on Ebay?

gtodrive · Guru

That's the one.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Well that has LS1 right on the data plate so assuming the data plate is real, it's the real McCoy. wink

As Ghost Post said, you could always spend the coin to send the VIN in to GM Vintage Services to confirm. They even have a service where they will respond by fax overnight if you are in a hurry.

-- Edited by Astro Jet on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 10:16:26 AM

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

Here's the eBay link..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-2-2-ONE-OWNER-1969-PONTIAC-2-2-CONVERTIBLE-427-BB-ORIGINAL-RESTORED_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem2ea777f98cQQitemZ200378153356QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks#v4-35

I could be wrong but didn't the owner of the car drop by here a week or so back also wasn't it noted that the original engine is gone?.

Yes LS1 & M40 are on the Cowl Tag..
LS1 = 427/335 Hp w/ 2-Bolt Mains
With M40 (Turbo 400) the original suffix could be LE or possibly a Canadian Numerical Suffix too...it'd be nice to see the original POP which it looks as if the seller may have?.

Good luck!.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Ghost Post wrote:

I could be wrong but didn't the owner of the car drop by here a week or so back also wasn't it noted that the original engine is gone?.

Where did you see that?

If you read the questions and answers on the ebay listing, it looks like we may have some pretty serious bidders here. This is going to be fun to watch!

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

768 is a 2+2 in 69
764 would be a Parisienne

gtodrive · Guru

Thanks for all of the information. You all have been VERY helpful!

gtodrive · Guru

Okay...I have to ask....does anybody have any idea (besides what someone will pay) this car is worth? I doubt that there is a value guide for a unique car like this...

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

I think it is shocking all of us what this car has been bid to so far
as well:

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=30518435

In any event, good for Canadian Pontiacs and the recognition they should receive.
It looks like the concensus here is the reserve is probably about $45K. Will it get bid that high, who knows? By all rights this car should be worth AT LEAST as much as an equivalent 427 Impala SS convertible, but since it is much rarer, a lot more than that. The market is what the market is. None of us has seen an equivalent car sold in Canada in the last few years. I saw a triple black 68 427 2 + 2 convertible sell for about $15K at the Toronto auction about 10 years ago. The problem, as we have stated many times on this site, is that the big market, the US, is generally unaware of even the existence of these cars, let alone their rarity and value. A big step forward was taken this year with the formation of the new Canadian Pontiac Speciality Chapter of the Pontiac Oakland Club International.

-- Edited by Astro Jet on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 12:49:06 PM

gtodrive · Guru

I was born in the U.S. and have ALWAYS been a fan of the big car Pontiacs, but the 2+2 models are just too cool and have been a favorite of mine for the last 30 years! It just amazes me how so many U.S. Pontiac "experts" look at me like I don't know what I'm talking about when I mention the 2+2's!
I'm not sure what the Ebay seller is looking to get, but I think he is hoping for a lot more than $50,000. The thing is, this is not a concourse restoration, but I think he's hoping for that top dollar.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

Astro Jet wrote:

Ghost Post wrote:

I could be wrong but didn't the owner of the car drop by here a week or so back also wasn't it noted that the original engine is gone?.
Where did you see that?

In the eBay listing:

"WHAT LED MY FATHER TO THIS RESTORATION WAS A CRACK THAT DEVELOPED IN THE BLOCK. WITHOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AT THE TIME TO REPAIR AND WARRANTY, HE CHOSE TO GO TO PONTIAC DEALERSHIP AND PURCHASE A BRAND NEW BARE BLOCK. FROM THERE, THEY REBUILT THE MOTOR FROM TOP TO BOTTOM WITH ALL THE ORIGINAL PARTS. "

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

I saw the note about the engine change when I read the eBay listing again after I posted the previous note..
I know I saw this car somewhere within the past few weeks and remembered the original engine was gone from then also the father's car story...did someone here post a link perhaps?.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

The owner mentioned the motor has been replaced. The body and floors are apparently original however the trunk has been repaired.

It would be safe to assume you'd be the only one at pretty much any car show with one!

Todd

67rag396 · Poncho Master!

gtodrive wrote:

Okay...I have to ask....does anybody have any idea (besides what someone will pay) this car is worth? I doubt that there is a value guide for a unique car like this...

You are asking one of those loaded questions. We all have different views on the subject and may have different views on different days or with respect to different cars.
If you are buying it to make money you have to lowball it.
If you are buying it to enjoy it, how does it compare to others you would also enjoy.
Our Canadian Pontiacs are very difficult to compare.
I can use my 67 2+2 as an example of rarity and difficulty in coming up with a value.
My car is an original Big Block (396) 4 speed convertible.
GM documentation says 39 1967 2+2's built with this combination. We don't know how many were convertibles.
I have paid attention for 10 years now and only know of 3 other original 4 speed cars. One is a hardtop, one is an original 427 car and one is a cowl tag.
If mine disappeared how much would it cost me to replace it? I could try to convince Elroy to sell me his 427 car and then restore it or take a non "correct" car and make one.
In the past 2 years I have added a nice fresh 454 crate engine plus new clutch, muncie, exhaust, fresh rear quarters and trunk sheet metal installed and a driver quality paint job. I paid a fair (less than body shop rate) for the bodywork and paint. The car is appraised for approximately the cost of this list of items plus all the misc. stuff that goes with those items.
I could probably get some kind of big block 4 speed convertible in equivalent condition for the money.

87 player bird · Poncho Master!

Well if the original mill is gone, it SUBSTANTIALLY hurt's the value (as we all know!) so it's rarity while provin, would be hard pressed to rival a #'s 427 ss rag. Sorry to be blunt, but it's true. That being said, cool car none the less. It's worth what you will pay for it.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Look what I found on Epay Motors Can you say 427 !

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Up to $31300...

65sssd · Poncho Master!

Astro Jet wrote:

65sssd wrote:

73SC wrote:

What's the story on the 68?

Also last week someone said they spotted a 69 2+2 427, can't recall who. If we had the VIN we would run it through Vintage.

Just trying to help you 2+2 guys out. It's a gem and cheap. Hopefully you will do the same for the 64-65 Beaumonts.

So what is the deal on that 68? Where is it listed and how much?

I posted it a few days ago. Used victoria, 7900.00 painted and #match

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

69Laurentian wrote:

Up to $31300...

I'm surprised it's being bid this high. I don't see this as a 40-50K car.