Nice 76 Bonneville on Ebay

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Nice 76 Bonneville on Ebay

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

We can hardly deny it as a CP.

The Parisienne I looked at this summer has a 455 and it's a Canadian Pontiac, even though the engine is not. It would be a CP would it not???

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Did we ever establish any where what constitutes a CP? I would have thought that it would be a model produced for sale in Canada only, i.e. Acadian, Beaumont, Parisienne, etc. If it was simply that a vehicle was sold new at a Pontiac dealer in Canada, my goodness, that would mean that something like an Aztek sold new at a Pontiac dealer would qualify as a CP! ashamed

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

If that comes to pass Hillar, you and I will have a mutiny and start our own new site!

We have welcomed the G body cars from the 80's, made in Quebec, correct?

Also the F body cars. The one thing is, there is not a lot for the G and F guys here so I doubt those particular pieces will ever trump the main interests here (B cars, Beaumonts and Acadians)

67HEAVEN · Poncho Master!

Astro Jet wrote:

Did we ever establish any where what constitutes a CP? I would have thought that it would be a model produced for sale in Canada only, i.e. Acadian, Beaumont, Parisienne, etc. If it was simply that a vehicle was sold new at a Pontiac dealer in Canada, my goodness, that would mean that something like an Aztek sold new at a Pontiac dealer would qualify as a CP!

What about the Acadians built at Willow Run?

It's all so confusing. wink

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Astro Jet wrote:

Did we ever establish any where what constitutes a CP? I would have thought that it would be a model produced for sale in Canada only, i.e. Acadian, Beaumont, Parisienne, etc. If it was simply that a vehicle was sold new at a Pontiac dealer in Canada, my goodness, that would mean that something like an Aztek sold new at a Pontiac dealer would qualify as a CP!

Hillar, I like your definition. If you look at the CPSC Charter it included Canadian sold. I personally have a hard time accepting a Bonneville as a Canadian Poncho. Ditto for a Catalina, Grand Prix, Executive.

Take my LeMans, not a Canadian only model , however, built in Oshawa for sale in Canada only with the Chevrolet engine. Qualify or not? I say yes.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Opinion on the 455 Parisienne?

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

67HEAVEN wrote:

What about the Acadians built at Willow Run?

Definitely Canadian Poncho. Never offered for sale anywhere but Canada. Made for the Canadian market, sold by GM Canada through Pontiac dealers in Canada only.

-- Edited by 73SC on Thursday 8th of October 2009 10:05:32 PM

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Opinion on the 455 Parisienne?

Definitely Canadian Poncho. Built in Canada. Never offered for sale anywhere but Canada. Made for the Canadian market, sold by GM Canada through Pontiac dealers in Canada only.

-- Edited by 73SC on Thursday 8th of October 2009 10:05:15 PM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

But certainly not 100% pure Canadian, in my eyes anyway.

I always think Chevy powered only to be pure.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

I say built in Canada Trumps all other factors. I t seems to be a lot clearer in the period up to 1970. After that the blue engines stated finding ther way into B bodies and A bodies too. Except our 70 tempest came was built at Oshawa, bought at Hognas on the Danforth in Toronto but it had a blue beast under the hood. Oddly 71 and 72's got sbc.

-- Edited by 73SC on Thursday 8th of October 2009 10:10:10 PM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I can go along with that.

The later Acadian guys may not like it. Didn't I read here the last ones were US built?

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

If that comes to pass Hillar, you and I will have a mutiny and start our own new site!

We have welcomed the G body cars from the 80's, made in Quebec, correct?

Also the F body cars. The one thing is, there is not a lot for the G and F guys here so I doubt those particular pieces will ever trump the main interests here (B cars, Beaumonts and Acadians)

G and F body cars may have been built in Canada, but the particular models they built were built for the entire North American market. There were no Canadian market specific models. I think my definition is the most appropriate one, regardless of where the plant is where they were built, if they were produced for sale only in Canada, they qualify. Therefore the Acadians built at Willow Run, regardless of the fact that they were built in the US, were sold only at Canadian dealers. That also means that Astre qualifies, as well as the Chevette based Acadians and the Tempests that were based on the Chevy Corsica.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I agree with that as well. Points are well made.

Not sure the Astre will ever have a huge following either!

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

I can go along with that.

The later Acadian guys may not like it. Didn't I read here the last ones were US built?

Yes BUT they are Canadian Ponchos because of other factors, only for Canadian market, never sold anywhere but Canada, built for the target market of Canadians loyal to Pontiac looking for a compact .

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

67HEAVEN wrote:

What about the Acadians built at Willow Run?

It's all so confusing.

Those Acadians, although built in a US plant, were built for sale in Canada only, so they would qualify. I would say that if one could buy the identical model in the US as well, at the same time, it would not qualify as a CP.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

73SC wrote:

Hillar, I like your definition. If you look at the CPSC Charter it included Canadian sold. I personally have a hard time accepting a Bonneville as a Canadian Poncho. Ditto for a Catalina, Grand Prix, Executive.

Take my LeMans, not a Canadian only model , however, built in Oshawa for sale in Canada only with the Chevrolet engine. Qualify or not? I say yes.

Yours definitely qualifies Ray, according to my definition any way. It was produced for sale in Canada only. As far as I know, you could not walk into an American Pontiac dealer and purchase a Lemans with a CP engine! wink

Were there any Catalinas, etc. built in Oshawa with CP engines for sale only in Canada?

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Opinion on the 455 Parisienne?

Could you buy a Parisienne in the states that year from an American Poncho dealer? Me thinks not, so although it has somewhat of a "bastard" engine in it, if it was only offered for sale in Canada, it qualifies. biggrin

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

LOL, that is funny Hillar.

The shoe is finally on the other foot!!!

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Astro Jet wrote:

73SC wrote:

Hillar, I like your definition. If you look at the CPSC Charter it included Canadian sold. I personally have a hard time accepting a Bonneville as a Canadian Poncho. Ditto for a Catalina, Grand Prix, Executive.

Take my LeMans, not a Canadian only model , however, built in Oshawa for sale in Canada only with the Chevrolet engine. Qualify or not? I say yes.
Yours definitely qualifies Ray, according to my definition any way. It was produced for sale in Canada only. As far as I know, you could not walk into an American Pontiac dealer and purchase a Lemans with a CP engine!

Were there any Catalinas, etc. built in Oshawa with CP engines for sale only in Canada?

Whew ! If my car had a 400 or 455 Pontiac I'd be out.

My Oranage Engine Supplement to the FSM shows that all 1973 & 1974 B body wagons got either a 350 or 400 sbc. Was Catalina offered in a wagon? If yes and built in Oshawa I think they got sbc power.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I've known about this Parisienne 455 for a long time but I never actually believed it was a CP body, with the "illegitimate child" engine (HAHAHA) until I actually looked at the car this summer.

67HEAVEN · Poncho Master!

Astro Jet wrote:

....it was only offered for sale in Canada, it qualifies.

So, I guess the '83 to '86 Parisiennes are out, and the full-size Safaris until 1989. Both were sold into the U.S. market.

And going back to the 1960's, the criteria of "built for Canadian market only" doesn't work when you consider all those Laurentians, Parisiennes and Beaumonts sold into Australia, South Africa, Chile and several other countries.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I do understand the importance of "Canadian" Pontiacs. I just find it extremely ironic all the twists and turns GM put us through. Talk about irony. Some folks who swear their cars aren't Pontiacs are in, while cars actually wearing the Pontiac nameplate are out.

But, I do understand. Just funnin' with ya. biggrin

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

I think that generally when referring to a Canadian Pontiac it is any series 7000 car, B bodies up to about 1970 that ran on a Chevy chassis and Drivetrain and in some cases minimal bodywork styling differences to denote a Pontiac lineage. Acadians and Beaumonts are distinctly Canadain Pontiac for exactly what I just wrote above:

"up to about 1970 that ran on a Chevy chassis and Drivetrain and in some cases minimal bodywork styling differences to denote a Pontiac lineage."

Because we are Canadian we are trying to be as inclusive as we can with identifying what might be a Canadaian Pontiac. biggrin

For the record, here's what this web site has as a tag line on the Home page:

We're your online Canadian built Pontiac, Acadian and Beaumont resource!

-- Edited by 73SC on Friday 9th of October 2009 06:55:06 AM

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

does your cowl tag say os before the body number?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Well, is the car home??