Another Ontario Tax Grab

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Another Ontario Tax Grab

67HEAVEN · Poncho Master!

Yep. The screwing never stops. When I bought my '76 Bonneville, I had to have it appraised for tax on the sale.

Then I had to have it reappraised for the insurance company. I said, "Hey what about the PST appraisal done just the other day? Why can't you use that?".

Their answer? "Not good enough. We want one with photos and description."

Geesh!

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

dualquadpete wrote:

Well we can thank "Mc GOOFY" again, I have a tenitive deal on my 64 Catalina, was going to make a "straight trade" for an equal value car, but on contacting the lic. office, they tell me I will have to get the "new" car appraised & pay the 8% tax on it's value. I spoke to my appraiser about this & he said they just started this, so I asked him about "low balling" the estamate, said he can't do it because as soon as I put insurance on it with a higher value, he would loose his lic. There's no money changing hands here, but thay want their tax on a non-existant sale!!! Just "BEND OVER AGAIN" WHILE THEY RAM IT TO YOU!!! Not even a KISS!!!!! Think this deal just went in the toilet. I'm not paying $1600 + tax & another $150 for appraisel for no money exchanged???

If "both" cars are appraisded ($150.00 ea.) then its still a 0.00 exchange? If you bought a classic or not classic car, at a dealer, and traded your 64 in, then there would still be no tax due..... confuse

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

427carl wrote:

dualquadpete wrote:

Well we can thank "Mc GOOFY" again, I have a tenitive deal on my 64 Catalina, was going to make a "straight trade" for an equal value car, but on contacting the lic. office, they tell me I will have to get the "new" car appraised & pay the 8% tax on it's value. I spoke to my appraiser about this & he said they just started this, so I asked him about "low balling" the estamate, said he can't do it because as soon as I put insurance on it with a higher value, he would loose his lic. There's no money changing hands here, but thay want their tax on a non-existant sale!!! Just "BEND OVER AGAIN" WHILE THEY RAM IT TO YOU!!! Not even a KISS!!!!! Think this deal just went in the toilet. I'm not paying $1600 + tax & another $150 for appraisel for no money exchanged???

If "both" cars are appraisded ($150.00 ea.) then its still a 0.00 exchange? If you bought a classic or not classic car, at a dealer, and traded your 64 in, then there would still be no tax due.....

Carl. yep, your right, I just finished writing my MPP on this & used that exact situation. I'll tell ya, they are going to tax us to death[already have with the HST] & now Harper is talking about a 1% increase in GST Where or when will it ever end, my pockets are only so deep & I've hit bottom!!!!

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

If "both" cars are appraisded ($150.00 ea.) then its still a 0.00 exchange? If you bought a classic or not classic car, at a dealer, and traded your 64 in, then there would still be no tax due.....

Carl. yep, your right, I just finished writing my MPP on this & used that exact situation. I'll tell ya, they are going to tax us to death[already have with the HST] & now Harper is talking about a 1% increase in GST Where or when will it ever end, my pockets are only so deep & I've hit bottom!!!!

I hear you Peter... these bozo's who tax us, have no idea what its like to make under 100,000 a year I made 40 once lol

Hang in there , it will get worse Remember the fall of Rome?

RDubya · Poncho Master!

I didn't know Harper or McGoofy played the violin!

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Yep, I had to do the same thing when I bought my 59 Dodge. PLUS, they tried to hammer the seller for PST from when he brought car over the border in 1977 (he never bothered to transfer the car into an Ontario ownership back then). He had a receipt to prove he paid tax back then and the girl said (oh, that was a different rate back then). I said "So what, the car came over BACK THEN!" She had to call the tax office. 20 minutes later they said he didn't have to pay but he "better keep that receipt just in case".
Idiots

-- Edited by 69Laurentian on Thursday 21st of January 2010 06:11:02 PM

65post · Poncho Master!

You guys are just catching up with us here in Quebec.This has been going on here for a few years now.They do the same with vintage sleds.Welcome to the NEW WORLD ORDER...If it moves TAX IT.

69-Tin Indian · Guru

Speaking of getting royally screwed by the government. When I bought my '61 GMC in August I of course had to get it appraised. Can't get you for an E-Test on it so they'll get you that way.
Then, I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for it. $88.00 for the plates, which is fair enough.
Here's where the real cost comes in. Within the 6 day period, I had the truck put in my name as unfit-unplated. I got it safetied but of course, the vintage plates have to be sent to the Ministry of Government Services so they can approve or deny whether they're restored good enough for use.
For them to do this, it's $235.25!! It gets better. Because my vehicle was unfit-unplated, but then
I got it safetied, I spent $10.00 for a new ownership so it read fit-unplated. It then cost $11.16 to send it off to this Ministry of Government Services. Now, when I get them back, I have to spend another $10.00 for an ownership that reads fit-plated (with the vintage plates on it) but also, another $74.00 for the annual sticker. If $428.41 isn't ludicrous just for a set of vintage plates for that finishing touch on a classic, then I don't know what is. They have us working until June 1st of every year just to pay taxes. They won't be happy until we're working until December 31. When that time comes, the colour blue will no longer be allowed for government parties, only RED!
Just a little more than irked I tell ya.

2drpost · Uber Guru

when are people going to figure it out.....

YOUR VOTE+LIBERALS=MORE TAXES

69-Tin Indian · Guru

More like "YOUR VOTE + ANY GOVERNMENT PARTY = A ROYAL SCREWING!"

59poncho · Poncho Master!

this is one of the many reasons im moveing to mexico, because maybe down there my father in law wont bitch all day about taxes!! LOL It is stupid, i think with all these taxes our roads should be pothole free, snow removed from our driveways as well, and a full body massage once a week (from a hot model) LOL!!

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Mexico will be a lot better wink

no taxes Did you buy a "gun" yet? lol

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

dualquadpete wrote:

Well we can thank "Mc GOOFY" again, I have a tenitive deal on my 64 Catalina, was going to make a "straight trade" for an equal value car, but on contacting the lic. office, they tell me I will have to get the "new" car appraised & pay the 8% tax on it's value. I spoke to my appraiser about this & he said they just started this, so I asked him about "low balling" the estamate, said he can't do it because as soon as I put insurance on it with a higher value, he would loose his lic. There's no money changing hands here, but thay want their tax on a non-existant sale!!! Just "BEND OVER AGAIN" WHILE THEY RAM IT TO YOU!!! Not even a KISS!!!!! Think this deal just went in the toilet. I'm not paying $1600 + tax & another $150 for appraisel for no money exchanged???

RST appraisals are available from licensed appraisers for $40 mobile service, used car lots will do them for $25 - $35 if you bring it to them.

This has been a requirement since october 04 for fit vehicles and jan 05 for unfit.

The MTO offices are independantly owned and often interpret the rules differently

yes and appraiser wouldn't want to give it two different values one for tax then one for insurance but if you have a shady appraiser that will do it lighter for tax you could have someone else do the insurance one.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

69-Tin Indian wrote:

Speaking of getting royally screwed by the government. When I bought my '61 GMC in August I of course had to get it appraised. Can't get you for an E-Test on it so they'll get you that way.
Then, I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for it. $88.00 for the plates, which is fair enough.
Here's where the real cost comes in. Within the 6 day period, I had the truck put in my name as unfit-unplated. I got it safetied but of course, the vintage plates have to be sent to the Ministry of Government Services so they can approve or deny whether they're restored good enough for use.
For them to do this, it's $235.25!! It gets better. Because my vehicle was unfit-unplated, but then
I got it safetied, I spent $10.00 for a new ownership so it read fit-unplated. It then cost $11.16 to send it off to this Ministry of Government Services. Now, when I get them back, I have to spend another $10.00 for an ownership that reads fit-plated (with the vintage plates on it) but also, another $74.00 for the annual sticker. If $428.41 isn't ludicrous just for a set of vintage plates for that finishing touch on a classic, then I don't know what is. They have us working until June 1st of every year just to pay taxes. They won't be happy until we're working until December 31. When that time comes, the colour blue will no longer be allowed for government parties, only RED!
Just a little more than irked I tell ya.

Uh I think its RED thats been doing the taxing-in Ontario anyway

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

67BBSD wrote:

dualquadpete wrote:

Well we can thank "Mc GOOFY" again, I have a tenitive deal on my 64 Catalina, was going to make a "straight trade" for an equal value car, but on contacting the lic. office, they tell me I will have to get the "new" car appraised & pay the 8% tax on it's value. I spoke to my appraiser about this & he said they just started this, so I asked him about "low balling" the estamate, said he can't do it because as soon as I put insurance on it with a higher value, he would loose his lic. There's no money changing hands here, but thay want their tax on a non-existant sale!!! Just "BEND OVER AGAIN" WHILE THEY RAM IT TO YOU!!! Not even a KISS!!!!! Think this deal just went in the toilet. I'm not paying $1600 + tax & another $150 for appraisel for no money exchanged???

RST appraisals are available from licensed appraisers for $40 mobile service, used car lots will do them for $25 - $35 if you bring it to them.

This has been a requirement since october 04 for fit vehicles and jan 05 for unfit.

The MTO offices are independantly owned and often interpret the rules differently

yes and appraiser wouldn't want to give it two different values one for tax then one for insurance but if you have a shady appraiser that will do it lighter for tax you could have someone else do the insurance one.

I've got no problem with them wanting an appraisal on a vehicle that was sold, but on a "trade" where there is no money exchanged, how can they charge you "SALES TAX" when both cars are equal value, that's nothing but a "TAX GRAB" Robbery, without the gun & mask!!! Just think ahead to when the HST comes in & the rate goes to 13% or 14% if Harper gets his 1% increase they are flirting with, the sales of everything [including trying to sell a classic car] will go in the dumpster. The underground economy will take off, but you can't hide selling a car underground unless it goes to the States. Even if I can get the other car "low balled" it's still costing me & other guy Taxes on something that there sholdn't be, "Boy, I"M Ticked" & yes no matte which party gets in, they do an "about face" on what they said & put the blocks to you, all the while smilling at you,& thinking " you dumb bastards" did you really believe what we said"

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

kinda doesn't make sense to be paying tax on value either way-when I buy a pair of shoes that were $100 on sale for $50 I pay tax on $50

I think its McQuinty an the HST in Ontario, and I recall Harper lowering the federal GST by 2%