1970 Pontiac Laurentian

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View larger image   Date Listed 27-Apr-11 Last Edited 28-Apr-11 Price $13,000.00 Address 100 Central Park Dr, Markham, ON L3P 7G2, Canada View map For Sale By Owner Make Pontiac Model Catalina Year 1970 Kilometers 32000 Body Type Coupe (2 door) Transmission Automatic Colour Green Drivetrain Rear-wheel drive (RWD) Fuel Type Gasoline Unique canadian built Pontiac 2 door coupe.  Dark green exterior, with beige gren interior.  Original factory optioned 454 cubic inch V8 and recent dual performance exhaust automatic transmission.  Rare engine option for this model.  Car has been repainted in the original colour.  Odometer shows 32000 miles.  Car is in running condition and has been stored in a heated garage with a cover.  An uncertified car but should pass safety with no problems. Call George at 6472993987.

 

1970 Pontiac 2+2

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View larger image   Date Listed 27-Apr-11 Last Edited 28-Apr-11 Price $14,000.00 Address 100 Central Park Dr, Markham, ON L3P 7G2, Canada View map For Sale By Owner Make Pontiac Model Catalina Year 1970 Kilometers 214 Body Type Coupe (2 door) Transmission Automatic Colour Green Drivetrain Rear-wheel drive (RWD) Fuel Type Gasoline Rare Canadian model based on the full sized Parisienne.  Also known as the Catalina in the U.S.  This car is in very good shape and drives like new.  Its got buckets and console, Ps and Pb.  It has a chev 350 4bbl with a TH350 transmission.  It currently needs some TLC on the right rear 1/4.  The car is located in the north end of Toronto Canada.  Please call for more information. Call George at 6472993987.

how about the GTO ?

I may as well chime in.   When these cars were posted a few weeks ago, I indicated I had dibs on the Laurentian and I've been in discussion with he family as fortunately I grabbed the phone number from the listing before they dissappeared.  The fact I was the previous owner of the 2+2 helped me.   

In doing my research on the Laurentian, I also started to converse with the previous owner.  We're making an honest effort to purchase the Laurentian, but dealing with the estate is somewhat of a challenge, as they don't know much about cars, etc.   And it's not made any easier with me in Calgary, and the car in the Greater Toronto Area.  There is also uncertainty regarding the transfer of the title from Hillar's name to the estate.

The cars were listed again on Kijiji yesterday, initially with no price or contact info, which now appears.  Unfortunately the price of both cars has increased from a few weeks ago.  The previous owner an I are still making a run for the Laurentian.

Re both cars, unfortunately much of the info or history of the cars have been lost.  When I sold Hillar the 2+2, it included the original bill of sale, and a lot of the maintenance history, including when it had a valve job and replacement cam done a few years before I bought it.   I'm sure all that is gone. 

73SC wrote:

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I am sure the records are gone as well. As I mentioned a number of times on here the family removed 6 or 8 construction bins of material from the house after Hillar's death. I was invited to the home after all this occurred and there was not a sign of any of the automotive literature and magazines we all know Hillar collected.  

seventy2plus2 wrote:

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 The cars were listed again on Kijiji yesterday, initially with no price or contact info, which now appears.  Unfortunately the price of both cars has increased from a few weeks ago.  The previous owner an I are still making a run for the Laurentian.

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I can speculate about this turn of events. Hillar's father's Lawyer called me and asked me if the previous prices were too low. The concern with an estate that has gone bad is each party thinks the other is trying to do something untoward to the other. 

The ad lists address as 100 Central Park Drive which is a Public School in Markham. George is a school caretaker so I wonder if the cars are being stored at the school he works at. Some of the photos look like a large institutional building and parking lot. 

 

 

 

 

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an appraisal for estate purposed prepared by a court approved appraiser clears up the value confusion and debate. I do them often. Someone in that area should do them

69Laurentian wrote:

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Does anyone know the "TLC" needed to the right rear quarter of the 2+2?

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don t know but in my experience "TLC" is almost always more than that especially when there's no picture of it

Interesting too that they threw out all the paperwork but not the old appraisals

73SC wrote:

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 As I mentioned a number of times on here the family removed 6 or 8 construction bins of material from the house after Hillar's death. I was invited to the home after all this occurred and there was not a sign of any of the automotive literature and magazines we all know Hillar collected.  

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 This is very sad. Upsetting.

I guess if you don't have heirs or have a will, at least an up-to-date one ...

 

 

69Laurentian wrote:

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Does anyone know the "TLC" needed to the right rear quarter of the 2+2?

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 Car was near perfect last time I saw it on September 18, 2010 when it was taken from my storage facility. Hillar spent several hundred dollars having the Dent King remove all of the dings on the car after it came to Toronto.

Problem must have occured after photo was taken, looks good in picture.

 

-- Edited by 73SC on Friday 29th of April 2011 09:55:52 AM

73SC wrote:

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I am sure the records are gone as well. As I mentioned a number of times on here the family removed 6 or 8 construction bins of material from the house after Hillar's death. I was invited to the home after all this occurred and there was not a sign of any of the automotive literature and magazines we all know Hillar collected.  

seventy2plus2 wrote:

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 The cars were listed again on Kijiji yesterday, initially with no price or contact info, which now appears.  Unfortunately the price of both cars has increased from a few weeks ago.  The previous owner an I are still making a run for the Laurentian.

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I can speculate about this turn of events. Hillar's father's Lawyer called me and asked me if the previous prices were too low. The concern with an estate that has gone bad is each party thinks the other is trying to do something untoward to the other. 

The ad lists address as 100 Central Park Drive which is a Public School in Markham. George is a school caretaker so I wonder if the cars are being stored at the school he works at. Some of the photos look like a large institutional building and parking lot. 

 

 

 

 

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 Ray i guess the very sad lesson learned here is that everyone that has anything of any real value should have a legal and very binding WILL. Also in a case like this those wonderful cars should have been left to people that would actually appreciate them. I would have left them to good close Pontiac buddies that would do the right thing with them. Instaed this !@#$%^ mess with Hillars family. Without a will Hillar left this legal mess and the family greed factor takes over. Sad very sad indeed. I have made it very clear in my will, that both my oldies are being left to my brother. My brother Mike has a love and appreciation for my cars. If i did not have my brother then my best friend, another old car guy would get at least my 57 Pontiac. My advise to all the old Pontiac fraternity out there is to have a proper legal WILL that spells everything out to the letter. Cheers. George.

 

really don't think the laurentian price is too far out of line for such a rare optioned piece.

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seventy2plus2 wrote:

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69Laurentian wrote:

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Does anyone know the "TLC" needed to the right rear quarter of the 2+2?

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I can comment on this as I am the previous owner.

If I recall, the original owner (that's who I bought the car from) stated that something fell on the car either while it was on the lot, or shortly after she bought the car.  It was just behind the C pillar, along the top edge of the 1/4 panel.   The repair can be seen from inside the trunk, and there's a small crack in the body filler on the outside.  It's been there for 40 years, so I don't think it's getting worse any time soon. 

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 I spent the day in emerg trying to get my blood pressure under control, and I had a 55 year old and 63 year old friends die this week..   I thought of these two cars....  Strange...  me thinking about cars...   heres my 2 cents...  These cars are rolling Canadian History...   you can't find them on every corner...   Someone needs to step up and buy them, no matter how much they are.....  They will be a "steal" 10 years from now....   Thank you for trying to buy them   Just do it    Go for it      PLease....C2

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 Carl-take care of yourself-

 

this car thing happens all the time-there was a prominent collector down here had 35 very desirable cars, 5 daily drivers a couple rental properties and a multi million dollar home, he died with no will about a year after his wife did, his wife's grand neice was the only heir, the home which was probably 4-5 million is on the market for 1.5, the cars once thought to be 2 million worth were appraised for 1.5 mil and sold at auction for $540,000-----

 

in ten years people may not even want these cars-they are just cars (tangibles)

time is what we need (I'm pretty sure Hillar would have liked some more)-take care of your health Carl

69 belair wrote:

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really don't think the laurentian price is too far out of line for such a rare optioned piece.

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 I think this wonderful Pontiac is cheap in price. Can our economy be that BAD! This is more than a fair price but i would not want the Hilllar family to know that because it sounds like they do not deserve Hillars wonderful Pontiacs anyway. The whole subject surrounding Hillar and his Pontiacs is a very sad story. George.

Dibs? Make the phone call. Money offered will decide this.

-- Edited by 68post on Saturday 30th of April 2011 09:26:58 PM