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RE: 67 beaumont cheetah craigslist vancouver


A question for you, 65sssd, if the talbot mirror was in a non factory location, were there factory mirror holes as well?? What are you considering Cheetah options? It would be tought to verify...without an original bill of sale? The field car in SK being relatively untouched and with vintage photos is very solid evidence... I wonder what the other green one doing the show tour now has for documentation??

Does this seller have the cheetah emblems? It seemed to me his ad implied he had them??

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id be looking for

A51 C08,D96 ,M20 possibly D55



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ak 67sd wrote:

A question for you, 65sssd, if the talbot mirror was in a non factory location, were there factory mirror holes as well?? What are you considering Cheetah options? It would be tought to verify...without an original bill of sale? The field car in SK being relatively untouched and with vintage photos is very solid evidence... I wonder what the other green one doing the show tour now has for documentation??

Does this seller have the cheetah emblems? It seemed to me his ad implied he had them??

ak


 I would look for a 4spd conroy car, stripe car, vinyl top, bumper guards, talbot mirrors, scatter shield, of course emblems and or the holes drilled in the factory fenders that match Cheetah locations of emblems, eye witness account of it's existance, or a bill of sale which nobody has. I still don't understand the non factory mirror question you have???? I know that the gold one locally is the real deal and has been a Cheetah on Vancouver Island all it's life and the green one in Sask rotting away must be the same as the gold one, but as for the 427 green car I know nothing about it.



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68sd wrote:

id be looking for

A51 C08,D96 ,M20 possibly D55


 How does that decode again?



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It does seem that d96 on 67 cheetahs is 'common'....i don't think you could get a 736vin with d96... so i wonder if there were any 736 A51 cheetah...

I here you on the talbot mirrors, cheetah emblems... but there's nothing exclusive to cheetahs on an option list...(like d96, etc)... the gold car is nice too!

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the sask. field car is a 736 car



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Interesting to hear peoples thoughts on the Cheetah. I agree with ak 67sd that the only sure way to know if a car is a true Cheetah is with some dealer paperwork or completely substantiated proof like a picture of the car when it was new. I don't want to ruffle any feathers with my take on this and they are my thoughts.
 I don't think you can look at an option list from VVS on a Conroy delivered Beaumont and say because of the options it was modified to be a Cheetah. That would be like saying every BB 69 Camaro or Chevelle prior to the COPO loophole ordered by Don Yenko was converted to a YSC car.
 I wonder if Conroy had the Cheetah 427 conversion in mind when they ordered a car or they just ordered the cars and converted them as needed. I find it hard to believe that they would order a L34 engine only to pull it out and install a 427. Why wouldn't they oreder a 325HP 396 and save some money. 
 With the D96 stripe option did that not delete the quarter panel emblem? The green Cheetah has the emblems on the quarter but nobody seems to question that, they just say they must have been installed later. Couldn't you do the same thing with the Cheetah and 427 emblems as well?
 I'm not doubting that these cars did exist but people have been cloning cars for many many years. After years of seeing a car as a Cheetah and everyone remembers the car for the last 20 years being a Cheetah does that make it a Cheetah?
 In 1981 my first 69 Beaumont was hit and totalled. It was originally a Custom with a 307, 3 speed standard. I added a big block, 4 speed, 12 bolt 3:55 posi and a big block hood. The guy that bought the car from me after it was wrecked advertised the car in the Auto Trader and had calls from all over the country wondering if it was a true big block car. People knew what these cars were in 1981 and were ready to buy a car and have it shipped. Two people called from BC which I thought was really odd at the time.
 



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You nailed a lot of valid points right on the head with that post Brad. Well put!

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great point Brad ,just because its from Conroy doesnt mean Cheetah as they sold regular SDs as well like Louds old ragtop

 










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My neighbour is big into Beaumonts, and has been since the early 70's. By the time I turned 16 in 1973 he was driving a 67 "SD". In reality, it was a buckets/console Custom that started life as a 327 3 speed manual trans car but I bet very few people know it's a clone.

In 1980 I converted a 66 Nova SS to a 327 4 speed car, but it was born a 283 glide. Same deal, everyone recalls my SS 4 speed car.

In 1975 I put "factory air" in a 9 year old Grande Parisienne. Same deal, that car had no air for 9 years and how many people recall it without...

The list goes on. Some of that stuff was done very early on. I've even heard guys claim that 66 full size Pontiacs could come off the assembly line with big block Impala flags on the front fenders

Now, where's my high heat, super fire retardant flame suit................................??? I better put it on right away.....................



-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Saturday 13th of August 2011 08:48:41 AM

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Looks like at some point Conroy changed locations for the badging. Conroy emblem on the back of the front fender on this one.



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what do you guys think that field cheetah would have as a value ,as it is sitting in that field?

it IS the Best documented cheetah weve seen!

any ideas?

are those Sask plates on it in the original photo ? looks like 68 plates

cool that it could have been brought over 2 provinces when bought new

 

 

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 Teens  to 20's ???



-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Saturday 13th of August 2011 10:23:33 AM

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 Looking at the license plate in the photo there appears to be printing at the top.
 You can also see the longer holes for attaching the plate at the bottom which is typical of the 1968 BC plate. I doesn't look like British Columbia is written under the lettering but it may not be visible in the old picture.

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yup the holes look right and it look sto have the province on the top like the BC plate



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Funny thing is that the field car has the Cheetah emblems in the wrong spot in comparison with the OLD green original photo with BC plates. I was told that the 427 cars had the Cheetah emblem was on the rear of the fender and 396 ones had it on the front. The spacing on the field car is wrong. The gold one still had one cheetah emblem on it when it was restored but he opted for two repopped ones so they looked the same. I see your only looking at 67 cars. What about the rest? Where would mine fit in and the others that are out there? I know of two 66 cars also. I guess with my car SD396 is saying that 25 or so years ago it was cloned to a Cheetah? I don't think so. For mine they would have had to find a 1965 talbot mirror. The mirror on mine is the exact one off of a original AC cobra. Seems a little weird don't you think? I wish more people would come on with there potential Cheetah cars so that there would be earlier examples. Is somebody going to build that green one in the field or is it going to die out there? Maybe I should go and talk to him.

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65sssd wrote:

Funny thing is that the field car has the Cheetah emblems in the wrong spot in comparison with the OLD green original photo with BC plates. 

 Is somebody going to build that green one in the field or is it going to die out there? Maybe I should go and talk to him.


  Just remember, this car was in a major accident, so a 1/4 of an inch either way of an added emblem is probably the least of her worries!!! You will have to put blame on the bodyman who reinstalled these 40 + years ago.....

 As for talking to the gentleman, absolutey, 100%, forget about it... It is what it is, from what I have been told, case closed!!!!

 I am just as preturbed as you guys, but, it is not our car.... At least it is on the drier Prairies and not on either coast or Ontario east.... That helps greatly...

 



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As long as the grass is kept short around the car, it will last a long longer if so.



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The shoulder belts I mentioned above are the A85 Deluxe Shoulder Harness seen in two of the above examples..
Any Conroy delivered 66/67 Beaumonts w/ this RPO deserve closer scrutiny!.

I share many of the above thoughts w/ how any Conroy delivered Beaumonts are often considered Cheetahs now..
Surmising and hopefulness are not facts and Conroy cars of any year are unverifiable as being original Cheetahs without solid, specific no-excuse documents and a verifiable history!.
Also, even real Cheetahs need something specific to back up what engine was under the hood when delivered by Conroy!.
Not all Cheetahs were delivered w/ 427's so clear facts confirming delivery w/ an L36, L72, L88 or any other engine is necessary too..

As far as value of the field car goes, if truly verifiable as a 427 Cheetah the current condition is negligible..
Personally I've never seen enough facts to consider any existing cars to be genuine Cheetahs yet so if this a verifiable 427 car it could be worth waaaay more than anyone would think!.
Keep in mind GM did not install 427's in any 66/67 A-Body cars also few legitimate and genuine dealer delivered 66/67 427 Chevelles even exist so any verifiable 427 A-body is somewhat of a Holy grail!.


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Anbody know the story behind why it's sitting and rotting away? ...I'd pay 17-20K tomorrow to have a shot at owning it.



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 The field Cheetah is a 396 car.... He has the original engine for it... A 454 resides there now...



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Anbody know the story behind why it's sitting and rotting away? ...I'd pay 17-20K tomorrow to have a shot at owning it.


  Have you read this thread???

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t15129138/beaumont-cheetah/?page=1



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Hi, 68SD thanks for pointing out that the sk car is a 736 with D96...v.cool!!!

Also Carl, I have a picture of your neighbours car...and mine from 1972! his was already a cloned Custom to look like an SD!! It's interesting how people on all kinds of sites will mention... something like "I've known this car since 1980, who was cloning SS's in 1980!" ...well they were cloning SD's within 5 years off the showroom floor!! It could happen on day 2!! a more desirable model is always desirable and ready to be imitated.... same reason I'd consider putting Rubicon decals on my Wrangler!! why not? and who cares?!

As far as conroy being consistent with their emblem placement, i'm sure there wasnt any particular rhyme or reason... probably depending on who was customizing the car that week!! ....very cool cars, but although mega-rare they will not have the collectibility of Yenkos or others with alot more mystique and desirability...

Its a shame if that SK car isn't at least put indoors.... but whatever, its someones car, and his to do with what he pleases... except really in this case he owns a very rare peice of Canadiana and it should be preserved for future restoration!! It's a gem!!

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ak 67sd wrote:

As far as conroy being consistent with their emblem placement, i'm sure there wasnt any particular rhyme or reason... probably depending on who was customizing the car that week!!


 Very true. They had me (a 17 year-old car-jockey punk) doing custom touches on new F**ds at a dealership in Cobourg in the 70's. I used to walk across the hwy. to Crappy Tire to pick up "factory pinstriping" all the time! biggrin 



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