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Blackheart4355


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Well,

Tore down the engine today..things went pretty well all things considered..

 



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all things considered...

do tell ??????

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Well Roger,

Things were going pretty well until we got to removing the balancer...my buddy couldn't find his puller, so we used another style..destroyed the balancer..so I need to get a new one...not a huge deal though..the engine looks really good..so hopefully when it goes to the machine shop on Tuesday it will check out and be in as good a shape as it looks...we also broke the temp sending unit by accident...again probably not a huge deal...

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sounds like your off to the races on this one !!

keep up the progress reports !



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did it use a really thin one or was it about a 11/2



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Good work shawn. Were the main caps and rods stamped with numbers to go back in the same location ? Some times there not and you have to stamp them yourself. Would be a good idea to put the main caps back on the block in order they came off.



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Blackheart4355 wrote:

Well Roger,

Things were going pretty well until we got to removing the balancer...my buddy couldn't find his puller, so we used another style..destroyed the balancer..so I need to get a new one...not a huge deal though..the engine looks really good..so hopefully when it goes to the machine shop on Tuesday it will check out and be in as good a shape as it looks...we also broke the temp sending unit by accident...again probably not a huge deal...

 I think Ian found a balancer for me at Walker Auto when I was looking a couple of years ago Shawn.

Temp sender is an easy one. Just a temp light in your car, right? No gauge?



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Ian,

The caps and rods were not stamped but are set out in the order and side they came out of and the pistons will get tagged before they go to the machine shop. The caps will all get bolted back on in the order they came off. Carl, I'm not sure what it has for a temp gauge/light...as for the balancer..I've found them on line for a decent price, but will check Walkers as they have a huge sale on right now...

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65Wagon,

It was a small thin balancer...

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do yourself a huge favour,, at least use a center punch to number the caps and rods.

it's low buck and simple,, will not get rubbed off or destroyed. machine shop could do it for you if you hav them tagged and point that out to them.

a mix up could be the end of a fresh overhaul...



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Beaumont4008 wrote:

Good work shawn. Were the main caps and rods stamped with numbers to go back in the same location ? Some times there not and you have to stamp them yourself. Would be a good idea to put the main caps back on the block in order they came off.

 You HAVE to mark the main caps and rods-especially the mains. Otherwise you're in for a huge $ Line Boring job. That is basic engine rebuilding knowledge.



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Well,

If I had the tools to do it I would. That is why as soon as a piston came out the rod cap was put back on and the pistons were set out in order by the side they came out of. As I said they will be tagged before going to the shop, which is exactly how RCAF mechs do it before they send aircraft engine parts out for machining. However, I will ask Mark to mark everything for me...

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OK,

So everything (except the heads for now) is loaded up in the wife's CUV ready to head to the machine shop tomorrow...wish me luck....

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Regarding oil pans, Chrome looks good, this is Fred's 396. Mine is orange but I thought twice once I saw Fred's.

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Yup,

I agree, the chrome looks good. Carl, I guess it probably is a good price...but sometimes my Scottish heritage really shows!!

 I used to think I had the same problem but you'd never know it lately the way the $$$ have been flying out of here for Grande Parisienne stuff!!!

 

But I should add to that, it's pretty amazing all the stuff that has come my way for this car in a short time.I'm not complaining, I'm grateful.

Now, can someone ship me about a years worth of spare time to get it all put together???



-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Tuesday 21st of February 2012 10:00:05 PM

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OK,

So, the block and bits went to Brazier's today. He did a quick check of the cylinders and said they were worn about 8 thousandths...so they will get bored 30 thousandths...he figures in a couple of days he'll have it all sorted out and give me all the info I'll need to buy the rebuild kit...but he said everything looks really good considering the age of the block.

So after work I went to Walker's to pick up a pan for it, thinking that if Softy's sells a chrome oil pan for $60... Then I should be able to get a regular one out of Walker's for about the same price...maybe a bit cheaper considering their moving sale...NOPE! The cheapest one was $88 and he had to bring it in....so I'm leaning towards the chrome one...

Now I know that I sound like I'm being cheap...but I'm trying to save money for the machining..so far it's sounding like it will be around $1000 just in machining block and heads...

Oh I did find that Walker's had a brand new harmonic balancer for my engine, GM replacement part..$169...does that seem a tich expensive to anyone else...or is it just me?

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boring usually comes in at around 240, without wash or anything they have to know the type of piston in order to do the final hone as far as the balacer goes repros are about 200 so your good



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Blackheart4355 wrote:

So after work I went to Walker's to pick up a pan for it, thinking that if Softy's sells a chrome oil pan for $60... Then I should be able to get a regular one out of Walker's for about the same price...maybe a bit cheaper considering their moving sale...NOPE! The cheapest one was $88 and he had to bring it in....so I'm leaning towards the chrome one...

 As long as the chrome one is a good gauge metal, buy it, scuff it up, and shoot it whatever colour with some Duplicolour ($10.00). You're still ahead.



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You can check ebay to be sure but from what I remember that is a decent price for the balancer Shawn.

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Yup,

I agree, the chrome looks good. Carl, I guess it probably is a good price...but sometimes my Scottish heritage really shows!!

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Aye lad biggrin



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Hey,

Say the word and I'm there givin you a hand....



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After basketball season, grad season, cottage season, 25th anniversary season and likely a few I'm forgetting, there's gonna be tons of time! I'll let you know...

Can you not use the oil pan on your engine now, just to save some money? It's can go on last of all after the rest of the engine is assembled, once you've pulled the other one.

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Well,

I probably could....but...I did promise the 307 to Lyle...and as he's helping me I don't want to take too much..he know's I'm taking the accessories, carb, etc..but I have no idea what he's planning for it..so I think I'll leave it on and he can have it...

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I can check. I don't think I have another pan like that but if I do you can have it.

There's one in the black GP but that won't be available this year.

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