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I have the opportunity to purchase a 67 Beaumont hard top. It's a factory small block/power glide car with power steering and power brakes. Comes with the original engine but has a propane (wtf) 350 in it right now. The interior is mint but the gages and column are missing. Buckets/console. It looks like original paint or at least original color. Firewall matches the rest of the car. My only problem with the car is that it needs an extensive amount of bodywork. Trunk and floors are rotted and it needs both rear quarters and door skins. Is this car worth diving into or should I find something in better shape for a start? Help me decide if this car is worth $5000!!!

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I have the opportunity to purchase a 67 Beaumont hard top. It's a factory small block/power glide car with power steering and power brakes. Comes with the original engine but has a propane (wtf) 350 in it right now. The interior is mint but the gages and column are missing. Buckets/console. It looks like original paint or at least original color. Firewall matches the rest of the car. My only problem with the car is that it needs an extensive amount of bodywork. Trunk and floors are rotted and it needs both rear quarters and door skins. Is this car worth diving into or should I find something in better shape for a start? Help me decide if this car is worth $5000!!!


         floors and trunk  quarters and door skins no gages no column  wow   5000.00   disbeliefdisbelief    run away    (my 2 cents)  



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Properly built, propane can be a a lot of fun (101 Octane...). Unfortunately, there aren't a lot of people who know how to make them work well. You want to have hardened seats, get your mixtures right and you can live with significant compression ratio - is the engine designed for propane?

Can you do all the work yourself? If yes, then you'd know for sure what you have at the end of it. Buying one that looks good isn't always a guarantee that the work was done right. If you're going to pay someone to do the work - ouch.

I agree, $5000 seems steep for something needing that much bodywork, but what else is in it? A 12 bolt posi will run you $1000 to $2500 depending on what it is & condition. Disk brakes already? $300 to $1000. Nice wheels & tires? Possibly another $1000 to $2500 Is the wiring good? Glass? Suspension? Chrome, trim, lights? They all add up fast.

For $5000, you better be getting some goodies in there but that's just my opinion.

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I know it needs a lot of work, and there's lots of all steel chevelles available for around $15000. But there aren't alot of Beaumont around! Would the expense of all the bodywork be offset by the fact that the interior is mint? Apparently the current owner has gages and a column for the car, just have to put them in. I'm not a body man, so I would be paying for all the bodywork. How far do you think I would get with $10,000 for bodywork?

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I think you should pass on it. Depends who you find to do the bodywork and paint, but on average I'd say $10K is only half of what it will cost. You will be married to that car after you are done, and you don't want propane. If you can handle a full size 66 custom sport ragtop all done, then check out the real nice yellow one 4sale on site here for a steal of a deal my opinion.

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Agreed, if you are going to pay for all the bodywork to be done, you are easily money ahead to search for a more road-ready Beaumont. They are out there, and with a bit of patience you will be money ahead PLUS you get to see the finished job. There's always the danger of putting 10 grand into a job at a body shop and then not being happy with the result.

I would steer clear of propane also, but as you see, you will get varying responses!

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is original engine a 283 or a 327? what colour is it inside and out?



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Projects cars are easily bought but getting them done and on the road can break you.If you are in your 20s go for it. If you are middle aged life is too short.Buy a turn key one and enjoy it NOW.

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65post has some good advice there.

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5000 for car 10.000 bodywork expect it to be bumped up to 13000.00 1200.00 nice tires and rims and all hidden extras belive me you will spend lots looking for miscelanious parts trim ect. Beaumont stuff hard to find and guys know what they are worth take a step back research turn key with our economy people who want to sell will bargain the price just my observation good luck



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unless its a big work truck that gets used every day stick with gas, you can run decent compression still on pump gas and if you set it up right decent miliage.



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I am not looking to keep the propane set up. I was just letting everyone know the current state of the car. Anybody that would put a 67 beaumont on propane should be shot, in my opinion. The bodywork will be done by a guy that I've known for years and specializes in old muscle cars. He does fantastic work. I'm thinking I can finish this car for $25,000, not counting purchase price. That would leave me with an all steel car that I know everything about. Is this not worth the extra money as opposed to buying a car with the bodywork "done", only to have it fall apart down the road? Trust me, I would love to spend $20,000 on a car that is ready to go, but that leaves me with Chevelles from the US, with unknown history. If you factor in the travel cost to go look at these cars only to have them no be up to par, how much money do you really save over restoring your own? The original engine is a 327, and it already has disc brakes. I'm not entirely sure on the rear end. I hate to sound like I'm defending this rust bucket, but cars are personal. Any of you guys ever play with Lego as a kid? It's no fun playing with a lego toy that somebody else built. All the enjoyment comes from building it yourself. I guess I just need help deciding if the enjoyment I get from the build is going to be worth the extra money



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I hear you brother!  I share many of them same thoughts....you will know what you have....

here's my bio....I've wrenched every one of them...or plan to....I'm sure there are not enough years, but whatever.

the fleet...

TRULY CANADIAN
SOLD 1936 Pontiac 3 window Coupe 
1956 2DR Pathfinder? WAGON
(SOLD ) 1957 Pontiac 2 dr hardtop 
1963 Acadian Beaumont X racecar
1964 Pontiac Parisienne Custom Sport
1964 Pontiac Parisienne Convertible ! NEW !!
1966 Beaumont SD convertible  ! NEW!!
1968 Beaumont SD 396
SOLD 1969 Beaumont 2 DR post car ! NEW !! 
 
 still PONTIAC
1965 Lemans hardtop, 455 4spd, posi , buckets...no options!
1967 Firebird 326 HO 4 spd
1967 GTO ( 2 parts cars as well )
1968 Firebird 400 4 spd car ! NEW !!
1970 Lemans Sport Convertible
1972 GTO clone for my daughter
the OTHERS
1931 Model A coupe, start of a traditional build
1933 Chevrolet  3 window coupe HOT ROD  SOLD
1936 Chevrolet 5 window coupe ..future hot rod !
1955 Chevrolet 2dr 150 sedan...stocker...
2003 Avalanche Z66
and about 20 parts cars of various GM makings....


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I'm with Roger on his statement. If you are comfortable with the repair work and your friend is reasonable on his shop charges who am I to stop you. As you can see in my bio I have a couple projects and I bounce between them.

My weakness is starting a build and getting it 50-70% and then seeing something I think I want more. Because of that I have had over a 100 cars.

CDN Pontiac:
1957 Pathfinder 2 door sedan hot rodded with a 350 700r4
1957 Laurentian 2 door sedan, barn find and got it running and driving and moved on
1957 Laurentian 4 door sedan, solid car but I used up the dash for my Pathrinder and sold it off
1969 Parisienne, 2 door hardtop. Highschool car, drove it to hell and back.......more than once
1969 StratoChief, 2 door hartop. Dad bought new as demonstrator in the late summer of 69. Finally sold it in the early 90's

Pontiac
1969 Firebird 350 HO vert, still have it
1969 GTO, $500 bush find, still have it
1970 GTO, did a driver frame of restoration, sold a few years back
1975 Firebird Formula 350 4spd sold last year
1986 Firebird 305 auto car, early 90's

Other cars of interest
1930 Model A, 350/350 with a 12bolt rear, bought and sold just after highschool
1930 Chev roadster, pile of parts long gone
1933 Chev 3 wdw coupe that Roger owned for years after I started the build
1935 Chev 3 wdw coupe, currently working on it
3 - 1957 Chev's
67 Camaro, built a real nice power train scarred the life out of wife with it. No family outings allowed. Sold it
3 - 69 Camaros
78 Camaro 4spd
70 Plymouth GTX
86 and 88 IROC's when they were new
a pile of trucks and on and on.


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Everyone is different. Some folks cringe at owning a car that's had metal work done to it. Others love "starting from scratch" knowing full well that it's been repaired properly. In a perfect world I'd prefer to own a car that's never been touched including the paint. We all know that with Canadian built cars that's almost a pipe dream. I say "almost" as we have seen a few original paint rust free Canadian Ponchos pop up from time to time.




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If you are willing to spend the money and want to build a car go for it. I think what the guys had been trying to tell you is it will cost more than the car is worth. I have 35g in my wagon and would be lucky if I could get 15g for it but I new that going in to it. So if its for the love of the car and you have the money go for it.

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Canadian Poncho wrote:

In a perfect world I'd prefer to own a car that's never been touched including the paint.

I say "almost" as we have seen a few original paint rust free Canadian Ponchos pop up from time to time.



Ditto.

Mine has rust.

 



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If you are willing to spend the money and want to build a car go for it. I think what the guys had been trying to tell you is it will cost more than the car is worth. I have 35g in my wagon and would be lucky if I could get 15g for it but I new that going in to it. So if its for the love of the car and you have the money go for it.


 exactly !!biggrin

and be prepared to spend at least 2 years before you drive it.   that is just the way it is..  my 70 lemans vert,, been picking away at it for 5 years...  unfocused.  Did  a major hose reno , had back surgery, bought , fixed , sold 6 or so cars in that time frame.  SO ..that is what I mean by unfocused !



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.....  Did  a major hose reno ,....

 Those hose reno's really take up a lot of time and the ladies really like it when you're all done.



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1935 Chev 3 Window Std Coupe

1957 Chev 2dr 

1967 Mustang Convertible

1969 Firebird 350HO Convertible

1969 Camaro X11-V8

1969 2+2 was a 396

1969 2+2 427

1980 Harley FXWG

1982 Chevy Silverado

1986 CJ7 Jeep

 

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427carl wrote:

         Just go buy a rust free southern car  with History    Its not your build if a fired body man spends 10-15 grand of your money    Buy a finished are closed to finished car


 2x .....If your going to spend all that money anyway...take a loan if needed and buy a turn key car that just requires  a driver and wash and wax.

5 year projects take eight years to finish......what's your time worth?



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Canadian Poncho wrote: ..We all know that with Canadian built cars that's almost a pipe dream. I say "almost" as we have seen a few original paint rust free Canadian Ponchos pop up from time to time. 

 


 Like this one Todd....IMG_00000185.jpg



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Without any pics hard to say but $5000 seems a little high



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