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A question came up on the 348/409 forum asking about when the last 409 powered passenger car was built.

http://www.348-409.com/forum/threads/1965-ss-impala-409-production-question.27541/#post-241319

In the USA, the 396 replaced the 409 midway through the 65 model year, but I seem to remember someone saying that they installed 409's in Canadian Pontiacs through to the end of the 65 model year.

I'm wondering if anybody here knows if that's true or not?



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One I had posted.......

April 19th 1965 76637     409ci          A        (285 red)    Saskatchewan    link
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...I too thought the 409 ended jan 1/65 untill I joined this site and found out that only chevrolet changed up to the 396 and Pontiac kept the 409 for all of 1965. Pontiac parts books only list 409 stuff for '65 also. So, yeah , the legendary 409 was last available in a Canadian Pontiac till the end of the 65 model.

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The last date for factory install in a Chevrolet was Feb14th 65. 396 after that.

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I am guessing that is US only though Earl?

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Hi Carl, that maybe the stats I was was quoted, but you are likely better informed on this. At the time I was wanting to build up a 65 SS Impala 409 stick car. The engine was available with the the right stuff, found a car,the engine guy said no at last minute as he wanted to build a rat truck. His engine, my loss. Life goes on. A true 65 409 Parisienne wasn't even obtainable on my budget

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Peterborough area   2 of 4  65 CS 409 4 speed convertibles live    both built in April 65



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Carl, we both know where 1 of those rag tops are!!

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427carl wrote:

Peterborough area   2 of 4  65 CS 409 4 speed convertibles live    both built in April 65

 

Yea, and probably both snatched from their native Western resided provinces.... no   ((wink)) 





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And then heres this one built March 18 65, still on the road, still needs restoration.



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I don't know.  He's my brother and I've trying to talk him into going to Hoarders Anonymous. he doesn't part with much even though he really will never have the time to do this old beast justice really.  Lots of memories associated with it and lots of battle scars as you can see.



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Went to Zurich Beanfest seen a 65 Impala,409 340 hp,PGlide. I'll try to find a pic of it.

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The Canadian Chevrolets stayed with the 409 for the whole 1965 run as well as the Canadian Pontiacs. The 396 didn't come out until the 1966 models on Canadian built cars. You know how it was, the big block cars just trickled off the line in Canada.

 

Also true for the medium duty trucks in Canada, both the Chevy & Canadian GMCs ran through the 1965 run with 409s as the top gas engine. It was replaced with the 366 (small bore / tall deck 396). The 348 W-motor was dropped from the passenger cars after 1961 but kept going on the trucks through 1964.



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dualquadpete wrote:

Carl, we both know where 1 of those rag tops are!!

          So do I    but it will probably never see the light of day.....  maybe after the estate sale (someday)    Thats when my old car will be seen again



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CdnGMfan wrote:

The Canadian Chevrolets stayed with the 409 for the whole 1965 run as well as the Canadian Pontiacs. The 396 didn't come out until the 1966 models on Canadian built cars. You know how it was, the big block cars just trickled off the line in Canada.

 

Also true for the medium duty trucks in Canada, both the Chevy & Canadian GMCs ran through the 1965 run with 409s as the top gas engine. It was replaced with the 366 (small bore / tall deck 396). The 348 W-motor was dropped from the passenger cars after 1961 but kept going on the trucks through 1964.

 So does anybody know of any documented canadian Chevy's with 409's with really late build dates, or for that matter how many Canadian Chevy 409's were built?



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This Impala is the 1st 1965 409 Chev that i've ever seen on the hoof. Didnt ask if it was original ,but it looked the part.
Kinda plain for an Impala. PowerGlide(yuck),no SS stuff. Could be a factory original as there were more ways to order a 65 Chevrolet than hairs on a human head! According to a famous Harvard thesis at the time.

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HE IS GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, BOUGHT OUT OF THE U. S.

OWNED FOR APPROX. 15 YEARS , ORIGINAL 409 CAR



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OURWAGON wrote:

HE IS GOOD FRIEND OF MINE, BOUGHT OUT OF THE U. S.

OWNED FOR APPROX. 15 YEARS , ORIGINAL 409 CAR

 USA car.. Makes sense now. It's a beauty!



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Great color eng combo giddy up!!!!

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On my bucket list is a '65 Parisienne cnvert, similar to the one my dad bot new in '65. Here's me in C1966 on my new Royce Union bike. His car prolly had a 283PG. My dream car will be 409 powered, maybe 2-4's as I have a 2x4 intake (that's ALL I have!), and prolly a 5 speed. I'm not really looking for the car now as like all of you guys, I have way too may ions in the fire now, but if the rite rust free body came up, I'd find the money.

Here's a Bonneville on eBay rite now I wouldn't mind having, and a '62 Impala SS 409-425 I just looked at in Palm Springs California. Real nice car, correct engine, but not NOM, but I don't care, I'd rather have it be real close and alot less money, I don't even care if it started out a SB.

Here's my dad in front of a '63 Imp SS in 1979 at Bob Wingate Chevrolet, 409-340PG, we went for a test drive in it, and the next spring my best friend and I put a built 409 into his '67 Parisienne 2+2 w a TH400 and 3.36's.

Can't find the '63 w my Dad now, but I have it somewhere. My '67 2+2 was lo miles 37k in '78, and I put an Edelbrock 3-2's on it w a TH350, 3.35 POSI. I kept the rust busket around till 10 years ago... alot more storys later



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Oops... Here's the '62 SS 409, and a link to the '65 Bonny, can someone make it a permanent link, or save it? too complicated for me!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Bonneville-convertible-1965-bonneville-convertible-421-ci-phs-tri-power-carb-winter-/121505462342?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1c4a4a3846&item=121505462342&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIKdj8EbWKE



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Awesome pictures. Love the one of two young bucks on the hoods. Also the engine being yanked out on what looks like the street. The good old days!!

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The two young bucks was me and my friend in 1979, I'm the curly blond, no more hair 35 years later. I ran an autorepair business repairing cars at the curb for years. I currently barely have a heated shop, and usually work outside, and no hoist, yet... Here's me at a junkyard in Indio California a few weeks ago, and removing parts from my Harley Fatboy a couple days ago. It was shipped to the Netherlands yest



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