Just one thing that needs too be made clear is that no GTO's were built in Canada in 1972. LeMans were built in Ste. Therese that year but no GTO's at all. The only years that GTO's were ever built in Oshawa were 1970 and 1973. 

I can't help on the extra Quebec tag though. Would be nice to get GMVVS documentation on the car, since the details you have been provided are all wrong, that would help straighten out where the car was built and even which model it is. 

-- Edited by 73SC on Wednesday 17th of September 2014 09:37:10 AM

Not all is kosher with that car.That looks to be a vin # issued from the ssaq of Quebec... stolen - no vin tag ect.

Leo2+2 wrote:

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MescaBug wrote:

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Hi,

I was wondering if anybody can share some knowledge about the VIN tag that is riveted to the door jamb on some Canadian cars that were sold in Quebec.

I dont know if its factory, dealer, SAAQ (Socitété Assurance Automobile du Québec)... The complete serial is stamped on it, along with another serial I know nothing about.

 

Any information would be greatly appreciate. This is a 72 GTO built in Oshawa.

Thanks

 

 

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The SAAQ adds tags to vehicles in certain cases: if the original tag was lost, stolen or destroyed; if the vehicle was put into storage prior to June 29, 1987 and put back on the road more recently; if the vehicle was modified intensely or custom made (clone or "fabrication artesanale" as the SAAQ labels it.) There's a link in French only about this tag: 

http://www.saaq.gouv.qc.ca/documents/documents_pdf/dossiers_speciaux/html/veh_modif_artisan.html

 

It's possible that the car wasn't originally a GTO but was modified to be one but if you can get more details from GM like 73SC suggested that would help.

 

Cheers,

 

Leo

 

 

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 agreed - province of Quebec reassigned v.i.n.

65post wrote:

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Not all is kosher with that car.That looks to be a vin # issued from the ssaq of Quebec... stolen - no vin tag ect.

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How can you say that without even knowing anything about the car and its history? The car is a LeMans with the GTO front end. I should have mentionned LeMans, I'm so used to say GTO ;)

We have all the original paperwork and GM Canada invoice (confirmed from George Zapora). Partial VIN on the frame rails matches the VIN tag. We couldnt find any partial VIN behind the heater box. The paint is not original (was Springfield Green) and bench seat (A52) replaced by bucket seats (A51).

It is an early 72 car built and delivered in October 71 at Automobiles de Montreal Ouest LTD. That place is still operating, I contacted the owner, but unfortunately, they dont have any paperwork about the car...

We've had this car for quite some time,  and always wondered about that VIN plate on the door jamb.

-- Edited by MescaBug on Thursday 18th of September 2014 03:01:24 PM

-- Edited by MescaBug on Thursday 18th of September 2014 03:03:10 PM

Forgot to ask..

Any idea of the the other number on the tag?

I came here with hope of learning more about a door jamb tag, not to get a thorough inspection of the car and whats correct or not. I do appreciate the comments, but please, is it possible to stick to the main subject?

The rear seat was temporary while the original seat was being redone. And by the way, that's the rear seat from my 69 Cutlass convertible.

That picture is over 6 years old...

-- Edited by MescaBug on Thursday 18th of September 2014 04:51:57 PM

You are absolutely right. I do hope that my comment didnt sound rude or anything. That wasnt my intentions at all. Ive had this car for a while, been in the Pontiac business for 30+ years, owned a dozen A and F bodies. I know my cars. But didnt know anything about that tag!

I am assuming Quebec is different than Manitoba. Here they remove the original VIN tag (from what I hear) and just reassign a special Manitoba VIN to the car. Frustrating when that happens on a classic car because all records of the original VIN are gone and there's no way to document it with GM Vintage.

Out of curiosity, what does the paperwork for the car show? Original VIN, new VIN or both?

I will post the GM Of Canada invoice tomorrow morning, as I dont have access to a scanner right now.

Oshawa did built A-Bodies cars in 72. Here is the official VIN Data published by GM in 1972. As you can see, Oshawa is Assembly Plant #1. The VIN of my car is assembly plant #1, and was confirmed by George. I know where to locate another 72 LeMans that was built in Oshawa. If both cars had wrong VIN's, George wouldnt have been able to pull out the information from the archives.

This document also shows the Chevrolet engines that were installed in Pontiac cars. Most US Pontiac websites wont even publish the Canadian plants and Chevy engine codes. Lack of information or interest, we dont know.

I also have the complete 1971-1972 production numbers by cars, and by order sheet options if someone's interested in those documents. And half a ton of official GM/Pontiac documentation as well

-- Edited by MescaBug on Thursday 18th of September 2014 07:37:24 PM

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checked today; the grain of the insert material is not correct. Looks more late 60"s maybe Malibu 300 ? That is a heat seal pattern. GTO never had any heat seal ed patterns. Correct grain for 72 GTO inserts would be 'Elk Grain

 

Dale @ NOS

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wasn't trying to show any disrespect. Just stating what I thought was not correct

Dale @ NOS

Dale; didnt mean any disrespect at all either. Just wanted to keep the thread in the right direction. Glad to see it has gathered some attention. Its a pleasure to share some knowledge with other Canadian Pontiac guys ;)

There you go, learned something new today.