67 2+2 427

Howmac · Guru

67 2+2 427

Indian · Guru

Someone will know, I'm sure, probably tell you when it was made, what it came with and where it was shipped too.

deleted · Guru

..wow, that is a rare one , My buddy had a few 67 2+2's over the years but never one like that did we ever come across. I hope it is not green !!!

CDN2PLS2 · Uber Guru

Aren't they All Green?

StriperSS · Poncho Master!

I think George Pappas in Vancouver has one too, apart in his garage.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I think Elroy has the production figures for that, as his convert is one of them.

cheetah 427 · Poncho Master!

1 of 12 canadian poncho 427 2+2 cars

Howmac · Guru

The one I saw is white ( but could have been repainted ). I could not spend too much time looking at it was getting dark , and did not have a flashlight.

Howmac · Guru

I thought it was rare.... The owner knows it is too , not interested in selling it . But I should at least tell him I'm interested if he does .

I'm curious as to the #'s of 427 4spd 2+2's that were built in the late 60's , and where that documentation can obtained . Zaporra's office told me that the Chevrolets are blended in with the Pontiacs as they came down the same line, and they have no way of separating the two

I've heard the there were only 7 , 10 or 14 69's built ( dependiing who you talk to )

Do you know how many were built in 68 ?

2qwik2c · Poncho Master!

GM built 12 1967 2+2 convertibles with the 427 4 spd combo.

In total 43 1967 Impala SS convertibles and Pontiac 2+2 convertibles received the L36 427 engine. This # of 43 consists of both the M20 and M40 transmissions in that #.

I have been keeping a CDN 1967 427 production # registry of sorts just for this reason. So far I have not been able to come across any 1967 427 2+2 2dr sport coupe production #'s yet. I'm sure they built more than 12 1967 427 4 spd 2+2 sport coupes.

Mondo Poncho · Addicted!

Just going through old posts!

There were a TOTAL of 13 COUPE AND CONVERTIBLE models - 1967 Parisienne 2+2's made with L36 and M20. Not 12 or 13 convertibles.

Here is a piece of a GM Canada document that I've edited down to the bottom so as not to offend the owner. It's for a '67 2+2 coupe. This should settle the discussion. Maybe we could change the full size production numbers thread? I've already seen it quoted on a site unrelated to this site that there were 13 427 4 speed 2+2 convertibles made in 1967. That's what our production numbers thread says And my guess is that's where the inaccurate figure came from. My car is one of the convertibles and I think it might be the only one left? So it would be fantastic to have these cars accurately represented in numbers and rarity. And not have erroneous - and less impressive- production numbers quoted on this site. Any chance our info here could be corrected?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Have we ever seen photos of your car Mondo? Yours very well could be the only surviving example.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

It's the car Elroy had Todd. I would have loved to buy that car but it was just not to be. What a rare car....

davepl · Poncho Master!

cheetah 427 wrote:
1 of 12 canadian poncho 427 2+2 cars

For 1967? That'd be a weird coincidence, as there were 12 427 (four speed) 2+2s in 1969.

Mondo Poncho · Addicted!

Todd and Carl: yes it's Elroy's old car. I could post some pics but nothing has really changed since Elroy had it. I have some pics on my phone and the car is in storage now. I have managed to collect more parts for it however. How do I post big pics? I've read the call for project cars as feature cars but I don't have too many really good pics of the car And it is all covered up now. The best pics I have are from Elroy before I bought it. I will post some below. Oh, and call me John! Lol

Dave: I think the post you quote of Cheetah's above refer to 12 427 cars - auto or stick? Regardless, if you check out the pic a few posts above you will see part of a build sheet that proves there were 13 total 2+2's made in 1967 with 427 and 4 speed. That number includes both convertibles and coupes. If I had to guess I'd say that breaks down to 3-5 converts and 8-10 coupes. I'm open to other opinions on that but NOT the total number of L36/M20 2+2's in 1967. Lol again!

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Tuesday 21st of March 2017 11:38:36 AM

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Hi John

I'll try to do a writeup on enlarging pics this evening.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Did this car come out of Edmonton I wonder? It seems like every cool 427 car I run across comes out of Alberta. I wonder if there was one dealership that was in the habit of ordering them?

> that's NOT the total number of L36/M20 2+2's in 1967. Lol again

Not sure what you mean. 13 is a reasonable number for L36/M20/2+2 production (coupes and convertibles combined). In 1969 it's 12 (1-2 convertibles, 10-11 coupes).

Mondo Poncho · Addicted!

Hi Dave. What I meant by me previous post is that I'm open to discussion about what the breakdown might be of the 13 1967 L36 M20 2+2's by body style (how many were convertibles vs coupes) but m NOT open to discussion about how many L36/M20 2+2's were made it total! There are a number of posts throughout this site where somebody will INSIST that "there were 13 427 4 speed convertibles made", or that a total of 13 cars in both body styles is "way too low". Even the full size production thread erroneously lists 13 L36/M20 convertible 2+2's built for 1967. So I posted a part of a GM Canada document where George Zappra clearly states 13 TOTAL in both body styles. END OF DISCUSSION. I just want to set the record straight- and I would like the production numbers post corrected if at all possible. Too many wrong opinions have been posted on the subject. That's what I meant by that.

Re 1969's- how do you know the breakdown is 1-2 converts and 10-11 coupes? I hear for a fee that GM Canada will search out the numbers more thoroughly. I've thought of doing that. I'd love to know exactly how many converts were built for '67. As far as I can tell here on this site, mine is the only one left. So it is very rare and it might as well be recognized as such. There were never 13 convertibles made- and the production numbers thread on this site is wrong!!! (And I'm not mad or yelling with the upper case and exclamation points BTW- just adding emphasis!!!).

The GM docs for my car lists dealer as Kalke Motors in Leduc Alta but I know it was moved from one dealership to another so I will have to check my notes. But you are right- Alberta car! BTW- thanks for answering my questions about your '69 in the other thread!

davepl · Poncho Master!

I spent about 2 hours on the phone with a nice (and patient!) guy at GM Vintage Vehicle Services who was interested in the vehicle since it was pretty unique. I have a ton of notes but long story short we were not able to come up with an authoritative breakdown of coupe vs convertible either - that data just isn't there, at least not in any kind of accessible summary format. Basically by searching other options (I couldn't see what he was doing, it was on the phone) he was able to find evidence of 10 coupes, and we know there is at least one convertible, and there are 12 total, so that means 1-2 convertibles. That's just from me listening to him work, I can't prove any of that.

I'm not exactly sure how they have their data indexed. It seemed he was able to confirm that there was only one 427 convertible with the red bucket seat interior, but how he knew that I don't know. But see there's a problem there because Grande Parisiennes could have buckets too. But you couldn't get a convertible in a Grande Parisienne. So if you can look up bucket seat convertibles, you know they are 2+2s. So he did stuff like that.

From listening to him talk it sounded like stuff was organized by the first 3 digits of the body code, so 768 for 2+2. If it had been all 5 digits, you'd know coupe from convertible, but it seems they only track the first 3.

At that point we couldn't go any further. I sent a followup email asking how much it would cost (I think they charge $350 an hour) to manually pull the sheets for all 12 cars and look, if possible, but I never did hear back with a quote. If they're indexed by VIN that should be possible.

If I actually get the car I might invest in having them do the further research. But I don't want to spend thousands of dollars researching it just out of curiosity either!

-- Edited by davepl on Wednesday 22nd of March 2017 12:34:59 PM

Mondo Poncho · Addicted!

Sorry for the late reply. That's really interesting information! I think I will try something similar at some point with my car and I will definitely let you know what I am able to find out about the 1967 model year. I wonder if anyone on this site is willing to correct the production figures thread that states they were 13 convertible spelled with 427 for speed?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I'll try to fix when I get home tonight.

Elroy · Poncho Master!

Ya Todd, on the prod numbers page, change from 13 M20 Convertibles to 12 converts and coupes with the M20-L36 combo. No numbers on how many rag tops.

Mondo-- keep in mind there may have been some Strato-Chiefs and wagons too in this 67 production run...

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Numbers fixed.

Mondo Poncho · Addicted!

Thanks Todd. I will look for it! I hope you didn't read Elroy's post above

Elroy- hello. Typo, or pulling my leg?? There were 13 2+2 models not 12. I don't know about other B bodies for 1967. I hope to find out the exact number of 2+2 convertibles for '67 eventually.

-- Edited by Mondo Poncho on Thursday 30th of March 2017 10:26:52 AM

Elroy · Poncho Master!

Hello John ! Actually George said less than 13. I think you are right he meant 13 coupes and convertibles knowing that there would be less than 13 converts. In GM's data there is no way to divise the exact numbers. If we can ever find all the coupes maybe you would know. I know of 2 coupes, plus the one just posted so that's 3, plus yours that's it. Sure would like to see some pics or get more info on this one just found> What colors , options etc ? The other two coupes are dark blue from what I have been told, almost matching cars.