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66 grande parisienne 454 / 400 turbo engine fitment


Ho guys. I got a 454 and 400 turbo for my 66 GP. Currently the front clip is off the car. Can I put the front clip on and safely drop the motor in the car? Or do I HAVE to put the motor and tranny in first, before assembling the front clip?

 

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It will be a lot easier to do without the front clip on.



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73SC wrote:

It will be a lot easier to do without the front clip on.


 Just because of the size? Would using a skidsteer to lift the engine make any difference in this matter or still advised to install without front-clip?

Thank you 73SC.



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First thing to know is that I am a professional accountant, I don't even qualify for a backyard mechanic as I have only ever swapped out 4 engines and three transmissions. Two LeMans a 350 and 454, one Mustang 302 C4 and a 5 speed and one Fleetwood 500 THM 400. The Cadillac was the only one without a clip and it was by far the easiest to do because of access and ease of getting at all the places and bolts you needed. The Mustang was a real pain and required constantly removing one more cross member and one more of whatever was in the way. The LeMans were a snap even with clip on the car. 



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While it's easier to install the engine / transmission combination with the front clip off, it can easily be done with the front clip in place.    Use a good quality engine hoist, and an "engine tilter" attached between the engine hoist and the engine / transmission combination.  It will allow you to point the transmission down to get it into the engine bay and into the transmission tunnel, then have the combination more horizontal to bolt it in.   My buddy has a good engine tilter, much better than the one I got at Princess Auto that is basically a big paperweight.



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Do it with no clip if possible. Much easier to access, less chance of damaging sheet metal, can double check all your bolts by eye and save your knuckles and back a lot of pain. I'm talking from a lot of years ago when changing engines and/ or transmission was a weekly or monthly exercise.

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Leave the clip on. Lift the rear end WAY up in the air, remove the trans crossmember. Lift and roll the engine and trans right back and in.

Begin Lowering the car and rolling the engine back to the point you can get the crossmember in. Lower the engine in the rest of the way until the engine mounts line up.



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I'm sure you know a 1965-1970 B body BBC requires specific components, oil pan etc.

Was the car previously a big block with a T-400 ?? If not it will require trans cross member tabs to be welded to the frame.

Nice project !!

Thanks
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GLHS60 wrote:

I'm sure you know a 1965-1970 B body BBC requires specific components, oil pan etc.

Was the car previously a big block with a T-400 ?? If not it will require trans cross member tabs to be welded to the frame.

Nice project !!

Thanks
Randy


 Hey all. Thanks for all the advice!!

GLHS60, I am not sure on this. I assume it came with a BBC but when I bought it looks like it was stripped and someone put a 305 with a 2 speed powerglide in it. My father told me the BBC would fit no problem, that's why I bought the motor and transmission! Best to do this with the body off the car then I assume to be sure.



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I'm kind of late to this thread but I have stuck the 396 back in my 66 Grande with the front  clip off and put it on later.  Works best in my opinion as you can rig up a rad and get everything tuned up and shipshape before you put the clip back on.  That way you avoid a lot of back pain trying to access stuff over the fenders (not to mention avoiding damge to them.)

As for the 400 install i have a another 66 with the stock 396 and TH 400.  They are longer than the powergide so they have the crossmember mounted further back.  Not hard to do. as previously stated it just took a couple of extra frame tabs form the factory to accomadate it. To stick the tranny in my 66 Grande setup with the TH700r4 which is also longer than the PG we just bent the crossmember a bit back and spaced it a bit down.  Worked really well.

 

 

Also if you think your car was a big block you should check for the extra rear top swing arm (283 cars only had one) and the 3/8'" fuel line.  It won't be definative but it will tell you if you car had more than the standard 283 PG combo.

Sending the VIN to George Zapora will be the way to get some real info. We'd all like to know as a big block Grande (or Pontiacs for that matter) were pretty few and far between.



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I am curious too, how is this project coming along?

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I've never removed a clip to remove or install an engine w/trans. Just have to tilt and roll it in carefully. An extra pair of hands would make the job go easy. I keep a spare transmission yoke around and insert it for the install. Tilting the engine and trans to get it in there will send a good bit of fluid out the tail shaft.
Actually taking the clip off would make things easier, unless this is the only reason to remove it. Seems like a lot of work for little gain and leaving it on avoids the possibility of damaging parts that you really don't have to remove.
Also, if the car is on the ground it's a lot easier to roll it than to try and make fine movements with a portable hoist (or skid-steer) and all that weight suspended over you and your helper.

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Mike Ward MB wrote:

Seems like a lot of work for little gain and leaving it on avoids the possibility of damaging parts that you really don't have to remove.
 


 Good point, some bolts on the front are sometimes pretty seized-up ... a real risk of snapping them off.



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True enough. I had my front clip off to fix rust etc so i had disassembled the whole thing in any case.



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Clip off is nice..easy on the back.. Mock up the ride and do your test fire before bolting everything shiny ...



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66 Grande guy wrote:

Also if you think your car was a big block you should check for the extra rear top swing arm (283 cars only had one) 





Ken, I think that's true unless the car was ordered with F40 suspension. My current black GP is a 283 powerglide car with a 12 bolt 3.31 diff with both upper arms.

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