Save 5% at Vevor and Support Canadian Poncho!
Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: 1966 Cruise control installation how to


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:
1966 Cruise control installation how to


I'm not going to say how much this cost me but in my pursuit of stuff to satisfy my bad case of optionitous i have acquired an NOS GM (appears to be complete)  1965 Chevy electrocruise setup complete with installation instructions. It look like it will totally fit on my 66 Grande.  I plan to put this on my 66 and post the how to and the instructions as soon as I get off my work shift.

I'm not sure how many on this site have or want to have that setup on their beast but it may come in handy to have posted as a reference. i have enough spare parts to maybe put another one together so we shall see...



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

I've wanted one of those since my first GP at age 17 but could never find a complete one I could afford. From what I know, it will be a perfect fit. Did you get the long rod from the servo to the carb linkage for a big block?

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)

Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

Actually the setup I got was for a small block but I should be able to just make the nice shiny servo rod a bit longer or whatever is required.  It isn't really very high tech. Other wise i cant see where there would be any difference at all. It would be good if I could get a measurement from a big block one just to make sure it will work right.

 

If I can use this setup as a reference I may have enough parts with some bits and pieces I have acquired over the years or at least enough info/specs to be able to make another so stay tuned!

 

This will be perfect for another long cruise to Winnipeg!



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Friday 31st of July 2015 06:31:30 PM



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Friday 31st of July 2015 06:35:29 PM

__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 7792
Date:

The cruise setup on the 454 Laurentian is fairly basic.  The control servo is mounted to the drivers inner fender, and the diaphram is screwed to the firewall, and it has the pullchain to the throttle.



__________________
70 2+2 convertible
70 2+2 hardtop
70 Parisienne hardtop

 

 



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

Yes, it's quite simple compared to the bulky and primitive 66 setup.

But that 66 setup looks SO cool....! Plus it's a rare bird.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

Up until 1967 the cruise controls on GM cars (i think)were made by Perfect Circle and were two way electrically driven motors controled by a control head with an under dash wheel to activate.  Very clunky and very rare.  I have actually never seen one in the flesh.

Apparently they worked pretty well though.

tn_cruisecontrol.jpg

 

 

I though it would be kindof out of the ordinary to show how one is installed etc.



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Friday 31st of July 2015 08:09:55 PM

__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)

NOS


Poncho Master!

Status: Offline
Posts: 1703
Date:

my 69 442 rag had cruise. But could never find a servo that worked

Dale @ NOS    a poncho supporter



__________________
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 6992
Date:

I do believe that a friend has this set up on at least one of his 65 Impala SSs. One an automatic and one a standard. He is a stickler for detail so what he has will have been researched to the max.

__________________


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

OK!    Here we go with stage one.

I'm posting this as I go along, not after I've done it so I may run into snags along the way or i may get delayed for one reason or another or I may just wander off as old men are prone to do.  It also needs to be said that this is being installed simply to save gas on the highway not because I have optionitus and this is the last one I need.  (picture me rubbing my hands and cackling in evil glee here.)

A bit of background here first.

 I believe Cruise control was a dealer installed accessory until 1967 as the first listing I can find in a brochure as an RPO in Canadian Pontiacs was in 1967. This was the year when GM stopped using the Perfect Circle  electrical setup in Chevs and Pontiacs and went to the vacuum units triggered by the signal light stalk so it became intregral with the car.

As ubiquitous as cruise control is today, at the time I would guess that maybe one car in maybe 2 or 3 hundred had it based on nothing more than a guess.  As hard as these are to find in any kind of shape maybe I'm being generous. 

The one I acquired appears to be for a 1965 chevrolet as the instruction sheets were printed in mid summer 1964. It appears to be complete down to the fuse you would have to install.It is correct for a small block installation and has all the brackets for manual tranny, manual brakes or power brake variations. The difference between a small block kit and a big block kit appears to me to be only the regulator rod (The rod that runs from the power head to the carburator linkage.) The big block rod has to accomodate a lower aircleaner than the small block from what I can gather.

I intend to scan the instruction sheets and the excerpt from the 1966 Canadian Pontiac chassis manual that goes into disassembly, repair and testing of these. I'll post those later.

I have managed to obtain some used parts from various sources as well so I will likelyy use bits and pieces so as to not hack up NOS stuff. Whatever I don't use will likely go back up for sale. I may have to fabricate a regulator rod from scratch though.

Prelim fittings and head scratching has me thinking the picture in the  1966 Pontiac chassis manual can't be the right way to mount it as the location will be at too much of an angle from the carb. I'll have to hook up the speedo and control cables and make sure that wherever I mount it will fit those properly without kinking.

Anyway here we go.

Postscript:  I had tried to upload a bunch of pictures of the kit and instructions but my computer keeps freezing after a couple so I will try at some other computer in a couple of days.

 

What I've done so far is to modify one of the original mount I had (not the NOS one) to fit the 66 front rad mount and located the main unit where I think it should go. I have moved the windshield washer bottle over as well and hooked up the tranny to main unit cable to make surere it woill make it considering I'm now running the th 700r4 which is a bit longer than the original PG.  I have mocked up using 3/8's steel tubing the regulator rod that would be the correct shape for a big block with a Qjet and now have to rebuild it using the stiffer stainless tubing. Bit tricky working around the shifter cabel setup for the TH700r4 bit a bit of a twist in the final flat part seem to be giving it the clearance it needs.

 

So far so good.  Will post pictures when I can get to a cooperative computer.

 

 



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

OK! After a long delay caused by life here goes with more of the cruise hookup saga. I don't know how interesting this will be to many of the guys on here but for anyone who actually acquires one of these or parts of these it may be a useful reference.

I have finally gotten to a  scanner so I can post the factory instructions I got with the kit. Here they are.  Just a few notes on these:

They were printed in mid 1964 and seem to be fairly obviously for a 1965 Chevrolet. That being said they will work for a 1965 or 66 Canadian Pontiac or 66 Chevy I think as the differences were just in the dash details and the radiator mounting assembly. 

They also are apparently just for a small block (so there must have been a kit for a big block and for a six) but the only difference I can figure between the small block and big block would be the shape and length of the regulator rod. The kit I had came with one for a small block and I had to make one for the big block based on photos.  The big block one has to accommodate a much lower profile aircleaner.  This is also meant for a quadrajet or two barrel with a mounting hole for a tranny kickdown. Not sure it would work for a Holley.

 

Here they are.  More to follow.

 

cruise1.jpgcruise1.jpgcruise3.jpgcruise4.jpgcruise5.jpgcruise6.jpg

Attachments
__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

Well, I blew up the pics to help but I made this thread wider than a 59 Wide Track Pontiac when I did that! My apologies but now we can read them easily.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

Thanks for doing this Ken, you know you have my attention!

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)

Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons


Uber Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3830
Date:

Neat stuff. Did these have a control dial with the speed marked of in 10 mph that mounted in the dash?
I had a 63 Cadillac Eldo convert. that had factory cruise as well as a 66 Cadi Sedan DeVille. The 63 had the dial, and I think the 66 did also. (foggy memory bank)

__________________

Drifting offshore is a fine way to spend a day!!



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

It hangs underdash left of the column. The third page has a couple of poor drawings of it. I'm sure Ken will post some actual pics of it, at which point I will have to be on my knees surrendering as he has an option I've NEVER had in 40 years of having big 66 Pontiacs!

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)



Uber Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3830
Date:

Ok, now I see it Carl. Not the same as the Cadillac's. Would be a nice option to have!

__________________

Drifting offshore is a fine way to spend a day!!



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

What I did was, was first lay out the kit, and take inventory.  Here is what the complete kit looked like.  (and it was complete as far as I could tell down to the spare fuse you would need. Here are some pics of the kit.

 



Attachments
__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

More pics of the kit



Attachments
__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)

Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

Boy do I ever hate my 1.98 internet connection.  heres more, I hope.

 



Attachments
__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

So the first thing I did was to install the cables just to make sure they would all meet at a point that made sense for a mounting location. The bottom cable does fit on a a 700r4 tranny stub so that was good to know. The top cable just screwed in to the back of the speedo. I also ran the speed adjusting cable from the control head from that spot back to more or less the under dash location to make that would make it.  Once I had that I laid out the harness to make sure it would be long enough in this car.  All seemed good so I decided that I would have to mount it pretty much in the stock location of the washer reservoir, so that had to go. 

I decided I would have to slightly flatten the top mount as the factory bends may have been right for a 65 chev but didn't work well on the flat top of the radiator mount. Not willing to sacrifice the NOS one in the kit a used a used one that I had acquired heated it up and flattened it a bit.  I tried to fill it with some body filler but got too impatient to do it right (story of my life) so t looks a bit lumpy.  (I'll make it perfect later, yeah thats it.)

Once I had the cable hooked to the brain I knew where I had to mount it so I marked some holes and drilled  the top mount. I then found that the bottom brace (basically a  black painted light duty 3/8 rod with flattened and punched ends) pretty much lined up to a hole in the rad mount. I used a bit longer stud than the one supplied  in the kit to mount it just so it would line up with that hole better.  Felt pretty darn solid with the top a bottom mounts so I worked on making a big block regulator rod from the quadrajet.

I mocked up one from 3/8 steel tubing as the small block one supplied in the kit looked like that's all it was. Once I had it figured I used a piece of 3/8 stainless tubing to make the real one.  The tricky part was making it hook to the bottom hole of the quadrajet linkage so it wouldn't interfere with the TH700r4 cable. Just took a bit a slight bending though.  I then welded (badly) a extra long 1/4 inch nut to the end and used the threaded adjuster from the kit and the retainer to hook it to the brain.

 All the cables ran nicely together so I just used a couple of tiewraps to keep them in place.  I then relocated the washer reservoir in the corner over the horns. Didn't even have to use the reservoir brackets the came with the kit as the old holder just fit nicely in that spot. Just drilled three holes and screwed it in. 

So much for the under hood stuff.

I then had a bugger of a time finding a safe spot to drill a 1 inch hole through the firewall where it wouldn't damage the flat connecters that go under the carpet to the back or  the other wiring but finally found a spot that would work. So shoved the harness through. I had to guess bit to locate the thumbwheel controller as the template supplied (again) was obviously for a 65 chev.

So drilled a couple of holes in that lovely metal dash (where you can actually attach stuff unlike todays plastic world) attached the speed adjuster cable and screwed it in! Plugged in the lights in to fuse box and went to the next stage.

This is the one that kind of hurt. I had to mount the brake cutoff switch. It was a bugger to get in there so I took the drivers bucket out.  Even so, at my age, with my girth,  with my sausagelike shakey fingers and with my eyes that wouldn't focus that close anymore it wan't fun.  I couldn't use the mounts that came with the kit but there was a second square hole just above the brake light switch that I could use.  The switch that came with the kit was too fat so  I assumed that I could use a slimmer plastic brake light switch cause it was the same right?  I robbed one from a parts car and managed to stick it in.

So time to plug it in to the fuse box but the power lead was two inches too short so I made a short extension to plug into the box. 

Time to try it out.  NO GO.

Finally I realized that a brake light switch works opposite of the kind of switch from the kit so to test it I just took out the switch I had put in and hard connected the circuit for now. Still NO GO.  I started tracing the current from the fuse box and realized that it wasn't getting anywhere past the thumbwheel activation switch.  Took the thumbwheel control apart and found that the switch was heavily oxidized so a bit of shining up took care of 50 years of sitting in a box. Now we had power so time for the road test.

OH YEAH! we have cruise!

Now I just have to actually mount the brake safety switch  and it is 100%.  Hope you enjoyed the adventure and maybe one or two of you will find it useful.

This thing work so slick it is almost worth what I paid for it!

Here are some more pictures of the installation:

 

 



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Tuesday 22nd of September 2015 08:36:56 PM

Attachments
__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 6749
Date:

Thanks Ken, interesting and now you have many of us jealous. You'll probably want to sneak in one more road trip this fall yet.

__________________
Jerel


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

Sure gonna try!

I must say that yellow barge has almost as many mod cons as any given 15 year old minivan.  kinds of put it in perspective in terms of what people think are totally standard today



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 6749
Date:

Do you have air?

__________________
Jerel
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

Air, tilt, cruise, tach and gauges, AM/FM, power windows, reclining seat, tinted glass, console and buckets with headrests, 396, man oh man Ken....

Uh-oh, I just realized you don't have power locks....... (They really are simple to install Ken.....)

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)



Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4897
Date:

Its loaded! all the time as opposed to me only half the time.

Maybe post another how to on the locks.  I really don't want to get too decadent though.



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)



A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50244
Date:

I don't know if I ever posted a lock "how to".

Keep your eyes open for a mid 70's full size (and I mean FULL size) GM 2 door parts car. If it has power locks, grab the whole setup, it's not bad to remove.

Then you buy the repro 60's style power lock switches off ebay that are impossible to find used, and it's pretty easy mounting the solenoids in the doors. The door latches on our cars even have a loop in them for the power lock rod to attach to.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)

1 2  >  Last»  | Page of 2  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us
.
Support Canadian Poncho!
Select Amount:
<
.
.
.