1969-1970 Shift indicator Blockoff plate part number

davepl · Poncho Master!

1969-1970 Shift indicator Blockoff plate part number

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

What color is the background of a normal 69 B body in-dash shift indicator? Is it black or is it blue like the 69 speedometer? I suspect the block off plate would be the same as the in-dash indicator.

409Safari · Addicted!

From Pontiac 1962-71 parts catalogue......

ST....synchromesh trans
AT....automatic trans

Gearshift Block-off Plate-01.jpg

Gearshift Block-off Plate-02.jpg

gtodrive · Guru

seventy2plus2 wrote:
What color is the background of a normal 69 B body in-dash shift indicator? Is it black or is it blue like the 69 speedometer? I suspect the block off plate would be the same as the in-dash indicator.

Black.

North · Guru

Makes sense, only manuals had the block out plate in 69 (which explains why 2+2's with automatic console shift still had the shift indicator on the dash). But in 70 the 2+2 with automatic floor shift had a block out plate along with all cars with a manual trans. They are also all the same for both years which logically means black.

Does anyone have a block out plate on their 70 2+2?

67Poncho · Uber Guru

North wrote:
Makes sense, only manuals had the block out plate in 69 (which explains why 2+2's with automatic console shift still had the shift indicator on the dash). But in 70 the 2+2 with automatic floor shift had a block out plate along with all cars with a manual trans. They are also all the same for both years which logically means black.
Does anyone have a block out plate on their 70 2+2?

The 2 coupes and 1 'Rag I have here with non tilt columns have the PRNDL....

'70 2+2 PRNDL.JPG

'70 2+2 PRNDL1.JPG

'70 2+2 PRNDL2.JPG

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Tuesday 15th of November 2016 11:50:49 AM

davepl · Poncho Master!

John, why do you think floor shift automatics (2+2, some Grande Parisienne, etc) in 1970 had the blockoff plate? What led you there (did you see one, etc..)?

67Poncho · Uber Guru

Forgot the 4th one... Not even a clock in this one.....

'70 2+2 PRNDL3.JPG

davepl · Poncho Master!

So the wiper switch is different on the 70 as well? We don't have that in our old list of "1970 differences". I should start that list and put it on my website...

gtodrive · Guru

North wrote:
Makes sense, only manuals had the block out plate in 69 (which explains why 2+2's with automatic console shift still had the shift indicator on the dash). But in 70 the 2+2 with automatic floor shift had a block out plate along with all cars with a manual trans. They are also all the same for both years which logically means black.

Does anyone have a block out plate on their 70 2+2?

My '69 2+2 convertible is an automatic with tilt wheel and has the block out plate. From what I have seen in '69, the tilt wheel cars came with the block out plate and those without tilt came with the shift indicator...not saying that is gospel...just what I have noticed from different pictures.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

davepl wrote:
So the wiper switch is different on the 70 as well? We don't have that in our old list of "1970 differences". I should start that list and put it on my website...

Yes, the wiper switch is different as well, and being different they mount differently so they're not interchangable.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

gtodrive wrote:
North wrote:
Makes sense, only manuals had the block out plate in 69 (which explains why 2+2's with automatic console shift still had the shift indicator on the dash). But in 70 the 2+2 with automatic floor shift had a block out plate along with all cars with a manual trans. They are also all the same for both years which logically means black.

Does anyone have a block out plate on their 70 2+2?
My '69 2+2 convertible is an automatic with tilt wheel and has the block out plate. From what I have seen in '69, the tilt wheel cars came with the block out plate and those without tilt came with the shift indicator...not saying that is gospel...just what I have noticed from different pictures.

As indicated I know of a couple 70 2+2's with tilt and their indash indicator has a block-off plate. I presume the tilt column shift cars had the indash indicator though, so I wonder why the tilt floor shift cars had the block-off.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

gtodrive wrote:
seventy2plus2 wrote:
What color is the background of a normal 69 B body in-dash shift indicator? Is it black or is it blue like the 69 speedometer? I suspect the block off plate would be the same as the in-dash indicator.
Black.

I should have known that as I have a number of the in-dash indicators, including a couple from 69's. They're all black background.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I made my own in-dash block off plate for my 4 speed Parisienne by using a typical PNRDSL indicator, and used Krylon "Fusion" satin black paint on the lens. I also removed the bulb that normally illuminates the indicator.

If someone needs a 69-70 indicator, I have a number of spares, and if you want it blanked-out I can do that too.

67Poncho · Uber Guru

seventy2plus2 wrote:
I made my own in-dash block off plate for my 4 speed Parisienne by using a typical PNRDSL indicator, and used Krylon "Fusion" satin black paint on the lens. I also removed the bulb that normally illuminates the indicator.
If someone needs a 69-70 indicator, I have a number of spares, and if you want it blanked-out I can do that too.

ME TOO.... But I just used a strip of black tape! (lolol) But, that was back in '89....

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

67Poncho wrote:
seventy2plus2 wrote:
I made my own in-dash block off plate for my 4 speed Parisienne by using a typical PNRDSL indicator, and used Krylon "Fusion" satin black paint on the lens. I also removed the bulb that normally illuminates the indicator.
If someone needs a 69-70 indicator, I have a number of spares, and if you want it blanked-out I can do that too.
ME TOO.... But I just used a strip of black tape! (lolol) But, that was back in '89....

Unfortunately I learned the hard way that I needed to remove the whole cluster surround to change the shift indicator. I should have done it while I had the column out, it would have been easy then. (It wasn't until we were bleeding the brakes that my buddy who was working the brake pedal commented on the automatic shift indicator. And even though I'd put a lot of time & effort in the 4 speed conversion, I never even thought about the shift indicator)

davepl · Poncho Master!

So for the trivia page, I'm going to add (unless someone corrects me):

"Canadian cars with a manual transmission or tilt column received a black-out plate in place of the PRNDL indicator. Car with automatics and floor shift retained the functioning indicator."

Do tilt cars still have column lock? Was it electric or still mechanical interlock? I'm really surprised that it's any different with tilt.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Yes, the tilt cars still have column lock, and it's mechanical.

I presume Cdn cars with automatic column shift and tilt column still had the indash indicator.

Cdn cars with floor shift and tilt columns had the block-out plates.

North · Guru

davepl wrote:
John, why do you think floor shift automatics (2+2, some Grande Parisienne, etc) in 1970 had the blockoff plate? What led you there (did you see one, etc..)?

From the part book page posted in this thread. It states in 69 only manual trans cars had the block out but in 70 it says all manuals and all 2+2's had it

North · Guru

funny about the tilt, I don't doubt the evidence from seeing them in cars but it makes no sense from a logical point of view. Titl or no tilt the mechanism to move the arm in the indicator is unaffected. Also as mentioned the parts book shows that the block out was a function of being a manual transmission or in 70 a 2+2. That being said perhaps something happened in the assembly plant that led to a change that wasn't documented in the parts book.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

On the subject of delete plates, here's a few in the dash of my 1970 Parisienne:

Top - Clock Delete Plate Part # 478533 1970 Only. I have a number of 69 & 70 Clock Delete Plates.

Middle - Heater Control Delete Plate home made using the frame of a heater control, and woodgrain from a 1970 Pontiac passenger side dash panel. The color difference is less obvious when the car is out in the sun.

Bottom - Radio Delete Plate Part # 9797070 1969-70. Very rare, I got it on ebay years ago, apparently came from an 8-track only car.

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 17th of November 2016 11:06:27 PM

-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Friday 18th of November 2016 04:35:14 PM

davepl · Poncho Master!

I think I've got a 69 clock delete if you need one. I've had lots of poverty cars Never seen a heater delete plate or radio delete though!

I guess lighter was standard and couldn't be deleted, unlike the trucks where it was optional?

-- Edited by davepl on Friday 18th of November 2016 12:01:04 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

davepl wrote:
I think I've got a 69 clock delete if you need one. I've had lots of poverty cars Never seen a heater delete plate or radio delete though!
I guess lighter was standard and couldn't be deleted, unlike the trucks where it was optional?

-- Edited by davepl on Friday 18th of November 2016 12:01:04 PM

That was a typo, I've corrected it to say I have a number of 69 & 70 clock delete plates.

While my firewall heater delete plates are genuine GM, my dash heater delete plate is home made.

All the cars I've seen have cigarette lighters, but the light for the receptacle was an option.

North · Guru

By 69 you couldn't get a heater delete anymore (unless it was going overseas maybe) and an 8 track wasn't available without a radio from the factory.

davepl · Poncho Master!

I don't fully understand how any car had heater delete after 67, because last time I read it the FMVSS required defrost. Trucks might have been exempt, but cars should have defrost ventilation if nothing else. Could be wrong, don't quote me on it.