1969-1970 Differences

davepl · Poncho Master!

1969-1970 Differences

67Poncho · Uber Guru

A wrinkle regarding name badges and scripts...

'70 2+2 Dash.JPG '70 2+2 Dash2.JPG

'70 2+2 Dash3.JPG '70 2+2 Dash1.JPG

My Canadian Catalina..

'70 Catalina Dash.PNG

My Estate And Deluxe wagons are also script. My 4-dr Parisienne sedan is a badge.

'70 Estate and Delux Wagon Dashs.JPG

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Tuesday 15th of November 2016 04:45:41 PM

davepl · Poncho Master!

So fair enough to say that in 1970 it could be a badge OR a printed script?

North · Guru

I think in 70 the badge was reserved for high end models

North · Guru

Cars with the molded door panels (Bonneville and Grand Parisienne) switched inside door handle design in 70 going to the small high set pull handle.

70's all went to windshield antenna

the 70 2+2 gained more standard equipment including rally wheels and disc brakes

davepl · Poncho Master!

I haven't seen a '70 brochure - how did you determine the standard rallys and discs? Makes sense, and most 69s I've seen already had discs anyway... but you'd think that would increase the supply of rally wheels!

67Poncho · Uber Guru

North wrote:
I think in 70 the badge was reserved for high end models

My Safari Estate is the top end of the wagons... No badge on mine.... Maybe the wagon didn't get? AND, only 3 of my 4, 2+2's had the badge... Not sure if one 2+2 had the dash changed...

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of November 2016 12:03:06 PM

67Poncho · Uber Guru

davepl wrote:
I haven't seen a '70 brochure - how did you determine the standard rallys and discs? Makes sense, and most 69s I've seen already had discs anyway... but you'd think that would increase the supply of rally wheels!

It's in the brochure... standard equiptment.. I will snap a pic if someone else doesn't get it before me... I believe it was still an option in '69... but, don't quote!

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of November 2016 11:58:50 AM

davepl · Poncho Master!

Tough to read on my digital copy, but:

"Both 2+2 models come with .. dual vinyl stripes, special front fender louvres (seven on each side), 15x6" slotted Rally Wheels, wheel opening mouldings, power front discs, dual-action automatic/manual shifting "stirrup-type" shifter"... etc.

I never thought of the shifter as dual mode - it's not there's a ratchet mode or gear-at-a-time, is there?

- Dave

67Poncho · Uber Guru

davepl wrote:
Tough to read on my digital copy, but:

"Both 2+2 models come with .. dual vinyl stripes, special front fender louvres (seven on each side), 15x6" slotted Rally Wheels, wheel opening mouldings, power front discs, dual-action automatic/manual shifting "stirrup-type" shifter"... etc.

I never thought of the shifter as dual mode - it's not there's a ratchet mode or gear-at-a-time, is there?

- Dave

I had forgotten I too these pics to be posted... Not clear but I will get a pic of just the standard features..

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t27752744/the-cp-full-size-pontiac-registry/forum.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=24364528

North · Guru

Like the US spec Sprints the Canadian 2+2 all had wheel opening moldings to protect the edge of the stick on stripes.

North · Guru

while the 70 was a step forward in terms of standard equipment with things like power disc brakes, 15" rally wheels and wide oval tires but there was a step back (apart from styling, just my opinion) by reverting to the short catalina spec tail lights rather than the 69 which featured the longer bonneville style with an extra tail light bulb. the same thing applied to the Parisienne

davepl · Poncho Master!

There were trim differences between the '70 Catalina and Bonneville tail lights, so you can still tell one apart by them, but you're right, they're all the same size, never thought of that!

North · Guru

The 70 Bonneville still had the longer taillights as compared to the Executive and Catalina, it's just that no Canadian models used the bonneville lights anymore.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Thanks! I wasn't aware it was any different in Canada. I just learned the Grane went away for 1970, so I'm not really up on them!

So the Parisienne and 2+2 in Canada still used the shorter Executive and Catalina units? That is a bit of a step backwards.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

davepl wrote:
So the Parisienne and 2+2 in Canada still used the shorter Executive and Catalina units? That is a bit of a step backwards.

Yes, that's correct. I've upgraded my 70 2+2 convertible to include a 70 Bonneville back bumper. While the endura section is supposed to be body color, I painted mine black as the car has a black roof and black/white/black stripes. I've also upgraded the tail lights with a sequential kit so they flash like an old Cougar or Thunderbird.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Note that while the 1969 Canadian Parisienne & 2+2 used the wider Bonneville taillights, they didn't use the Bonneville bumper that had the endura insert.

The use of the wider Bonneville taillights on Canadian Parisiennes seemed to change every year. The 1967 & 68 Parisienne's & 2+2's used the narrower Catalina tail lights, then to the wider Bonneville taillights in 1969, then back to the Catalina taillights in 1970.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

However the 69 Grande Parisienne had the endura inserts.

Image result for 1969 pontiac grand parisienne

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Canadian Poncho wrote:
However the 69 Grande Parisienne had the endura inserts.

ahhh, I didn't know that.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Indeed, mine actually came off of a Canadian Grande Parisienne, so I can't promise (but do assume) that the endura insert is the same in both countries, ie: interchangeable, as is the bumper.

North · Guru

That makes the 69 trunklid used on2+2 and Parisienne Canadian specific since it shares the short length of the Catalina version ( bonneville trunklids are 6" longer) but has the cut out area for the bigger tail lights. No American model used this combo.

I noticed that the Canadian rear valence is quite different also, much more rounded and with different mounting points on the bottom. This was to clear the different rear cross member of the chevy frame.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Interesting re the rear valances. In 1970, the US & Cdn rear valances are different. The Cdn ones had the scallops above the exhaust outlets, the US ones didn't. I didn't know the 69 ones were also different between US & Canadian cars.

davepl · Poncho Master!

The 2+2 trunklid might be different any just by virtue of not carrying the big PONTIAC script, it just has the small 2+2 and "by Pontiac" logos. So it has different holes (which I think are punched/stamped, not drilled).

Or are the holes added late? For example, on a Camaro ZL1 SS RS car it's not punched for the SS emblems or something weird, which makes them unique. I have the detail wrong on that story but there are weird one-off setups that differ just by the holes, so maybe that doesn't make a panel "different" after all.

-- Edited by davepl on Friday 25th of November 2016 01:14:30 PM