A very late '69 with some '70 parts

davepl · Poncho Master!

A very late '69 with some '70 parts

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Re the dash, does it have the 69 rocker style wiper switch, or the 70 type switch?

Re the Astro Vents, 69's had a small thumbwheel type thing on the middle louver, but otherwise the same as early 70. It was a mid-year change for the 70 model year to a black swivel, with just a chrome lip around the edge of the nozzle.

I've never seen ashtrays like that before, but again I'm not 100% up on Bonneville's. Their front door trim is completely different than Catalina's, etc so maybe the rear armrests are different as well.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Dang it, I can't tell from this photo. Maybe someone else can spot a clue. I know the dash should be brushed aluminum and not woodgrain, obviously, but I'm trying to figure out how far the 1970 parts go. Just the applique? Or the whole cluster? Or the whole dash?

At first I thought the whole dash, but it looks like the pushbutton style lock.

I know the car is a super-late build, so I could even buy some 1970 parts. But I can't buy that they would use the old 69 heater controls and yet keep the woodgrain 70 dash... that's just wrong.

And is it just me or is the speedo head totally crooked behind the dash?

My honest guess is that this was a great car until someone stuck a stereo in it and cut the hole, then someone decided to put it back to stock but they used 1970 parts and did a poor job.

-- Edited by davepl on Wednesday 16th of November 2016 12:39:39 PM

-- Edited by davepl on Wednesday 16th of November 2016 12:41:10 PM

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Rear ashtray looks to be same as 1969 Cadillac.

(If you can check inside ashtray look for lighter that may have Cadillac logo.)

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/1969-70-CADILLAC-DEVILLE-FLETWOOD-REAR-SWITCHPLATE-ESCUTCHEON-ASHTRAY-DOOR-RH-LH-/122198551271?hash=item1c7399eae7:g:C74AAOSwgZ1XwbQT

Image result for 1969 Cadillac ashtray

-- Edited by Greaser on Wednesday 16th of November 2016 01:28:49 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Yup, that's a 1970 "Burled Elm" woodgrain on the cluster surround. Too bad we can't see the wiper control, to check whether its a 69 rocker style or 70 slider. That's an "Automatic Air Conditioning" car, and I think I have an NOS 1970 Burled Elm Automatic a/c control for that if you're interested.

FYI - the passenger side woodgrain is not 1970, as in 1970 the "Brougham" was on a small metal plate.

And yup, the speedo looks crooked.

Also note the Astro-Vents, you can see the small thumbwheel which is correct for 1969. The chrome is likely worn away.

Something to also note it the rear part of the hood. 69 US Pontiac's still had the opposing style wipers, and the hood is cutout to allow the wipers to park. Totally different hood than the 69 Cdn Pontiacs.

North · Guru

In the US part book it shows that 69 bonnevilles have a different part number for the rear ashtray than the Catalina and the early sales album mentions that the Brougham had rear cigarette lighters but in practice they didn't, perhaps it finally happened late in the model year. The same part book (November 69 edition) shows that the 70 bonneville ashtray in back incorporated the power window switch but again I've never seen this. Something seems amiss in the book because the Catalina convertible ashtray is not listed and they did have rear ashtrays.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Not a great photo, but here's a picture of a US 1970 rear ashtray in a Bonneville. So either they switched late in the 69 model year or someone "repaired" the 69 I posted with 70 parts. Either is possible at this point, I can't say. I'd like to believe it's stock as the color match is very good on the 69, but they could have died it.

Could be a really-weird, late-in-the-run, convertible only, who-knows....

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Re the rear ashtrays, it is possible that's part of the Brougham interior package? Or were all the Bonneville's like that?

davepl · Poncho Master!

No, as evidence John has an early 69 Brougham that has the same ashtrays as a Strato Chief and every other base GM would have. The car with the Cadillac ashtrays is also a Brougham but was built at the very end of June.

It's either (a) they started slipstreaming '70 parts late into the '69 run, or (b) this car has been repaired with 1970 parts.

I'd assumed the latter, but they took the time to match the color well (1970 gold doesn't appear the same as 1969 gold leather).

-- Edited by davepl on Friday 18th of November 2016 12:03:20 PM

North · Guru

But the 70 ashtray was different again, it incorporated the rear window switch (assuming it had power windows ordered as well).

The prices tell the story, the regular ashtray had a price of about $3, the fancier diecast one like in a 69 caddy was $7 and the one listed for a 70 bonneville with power windows is $23

davepl · Poncho Master!

Are you seeing any "in between" listing for a $7 ashtray listed amongst the Pontiac ashtrays though? The crux is not whether this existed as a GM part, which I'm confident it did, but whether it was ever used in the late 69s.

I don't see window switches integrated into the 69 -or- the 70 I posted, so they'd both have to be the $7 same unit I'm guessing, so must be listed for 1970, which leaves me where I started I think!

-- Edited by davepl on Sunday 20th of November 2016 01:50:10 PM

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Here's the NOS 1970 controls for Automatic A/C with the "Burled Elm" woodgrain. I have no idea why I bought it, but maybe now it can go to a good home.