1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 Convertible Barn find - But this one a 4-speed

davepl · Poncho Master!

1969 Pontiac 2+2 427/390 Convertible Barn find - But this one a 4-speed

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

If you have one 427 emblem get it 3d scanned and have a copy made with a 3d printer. There's a company in the US that now 3d prints with metal thus eliminating the need to make a mold. The name escapes me but Jay Leno featured them on one of his videos recently.

gtodrive · Guru

The top picture is the '69 emblem and the bottom picture is the '67 repo. The '65 trunk emblem does have different stud positions but is the same in appearance.

davepl · Poncho Master!

Well it's finally dry enough in Northern Alberta that the owner will let my guy come and inspect the car! So I should know in a couple of days to a week whether I'm going to make an offer on the car. I will if it's restorable (by me, that is) and complete enough.

The irony is I already have owned it's identical small block automatic brother... so I know what it'll look like when done!

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Keep your fingers crossed Dave.

North · Guru

Canadian Poncho wrote:
There's a set of NOS side markers for sale on the forum:
canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t63275462/1969-b-body-side-marker-lamps/

Unfortunately those bezels are for all models EXCEPT 2+2 and Stratochief. All American models and the Laurentian and both Parisienne and Grande Parisienne had side moldings and had specific side marker bezels that served to also end the molding. The Strato and 2+2 don't have the moldings so their side marker bezels are rounded at both ends.

However the lens, gaskets and housings interchange.

North · Guru

gtodrive wrote:

I have some side louvers if you are short any. I also have a set of the side marker lenses and bezels. The side 2+2 emblems might be a different part number, however, they are identical to a '67 and are reproduced. The trunk 2+2 is the same as a '65 and is also reproduced, you would still have to come up with the "pontiac" emblem.

When you say the 69 (canadian) trunk emblem is the same as the 65 I assume you mean the 65 tail panel emblem? The 65 hood emblem looks quite similar but has a different part number.

davepl · Poncho Master!

I didn't have any luck finding someone to reproduce the emblem - if anyone has any leads on a company that they know does it (as opposed to could do it in theory), let me know! And thanks for the tips on the other emblems, that's always easier than restoring pitted up originals if possible.

MoboMac · Poncho Master!

davepl wrote:
Well it's finally dry enough in Northern Alberta that the owner will let my guy come and inspect the car! So I should know in a couple of days to a week whether I'm going to make an offer on the car. I will if it's restorable (by me, that is) and complete enough.

The irony is I already have owned it's identical small block automatic brother... so I know what it'll look like when done!

Good luck with that............I'm SURE you'll be dragging it home soon.... smile

davepl · Poncho Master!

Well my buddy finally got a chance to get out there and see it... quite the barn find! It's a basket case, but the basket appears to be full, and all of the hard to find stuff appears present.

The only "oh NOOOOO" part is that the cowl tag was removed to acid-dip the body and wasn't put back on - he's not sure if it's somewhere in this pile or maybe at home in a briefcase somewhere...

So, I made him an offer contingent on him finding the tag (and on the VIN tag being there). I'm not worried about the car being real or not, as I have done the GM Canada documentation part. But proving it to the next guy, or investing a bunch of money in a restoration, really hinges on it being there.

NOS · Poncho Master!

maybe the build sheet is still with the car ??

Dale @ NOS

I have heard under the rear carpet, up in the dash, even behind a door panel, but the most common is in the springs of the rear seat

Dale @ NOS

-- Edited by NOS on Monday 5th of June 2017 05:05:05 PM

davepl · Poncho Master!

That'd be nice (build sheet), I've never seen one in a Canadian car... rear seat, or where would I look?

As I said, I had the car documented by GM Canada so I know what it is, but wouldn't invest in a restoration on a car missing one. Actually I still would if someone had blank Canadian cowl tags (I have the docs and the protecto plate) but the Canadian ones can't be reproduced as far as I know.

68 427 · Poncho Master!

I HAVE FOUND "BUILD SHEETS" BEHIND THE BUCKET SEAT BACKS. THEY ARE NOT FULL SIZED SHEETS, JUST A STRIP OF PAPER WITH THE OPTION CODES AND A FEW OTHER #'S PERTAINING TO THE CAR.

North · Guru

Those sheets are the Fisher trim broadcast, they generally only refer to options that effected the interior soft trim application (console, buckets etc) but not Chassis options like engines, suspension, wheels etc

68 427 · Poncho Master!

ALL OF THEM I HAVE PULLED HAVE LISTED ALL OPTIONS, INCLUDING ENGINES, TRANS, SUSP. ECT.

MoboMac · Poncho Master!

68 427 wrote:
ALL OF THEM I HAVE PULLED HAVE LISTED ALL OPTIONS, INCLUDING ENGINES, TRANS, SUSP. ECT.

Can you post a copy of what you found in a 68 Oshawa built full size Pontiac?....(can't say as I've ever seen a build sheet for that plant/year....)

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

For both my 70 2+2's, I found the build sheet (or line sheet, whatever it's called) in the rear seat bottom.

For my hardtop it was hog-ringed onto the metal frame (and I almost destroyed it removing it), whereas for my convertible it was just loose in the seat bottom. The convertible upholstery had been redone in the early 80's, and they must have put it back in there, but there was no evidence of it being hog-ringed onto anything.

luppy · Addicted!

NOS wrote:
maybe the build sheet is still with the car ??
Dale @ NOS

I have heard under the rear carpet, up in the dash, even behind a door panel, but the most common is in the springs of the rear seat
Dale @ NOS

-- Edited by NOS on Monday 5th of June 2017 05:05:05 PM

Hi all When I did my total restoration of the 66 Parisienne 2dr hdtp I found two build sheets. The first was in the rear seat bottom and the other was taped to the back of the dash. I will try to do a scan of it and post it tomorrow.

Luppy

davepl · Poncho Master!

Not really related but I found the build sheet for my '70 GMC stuck to the then-wet paint on the front of the bed which faces the cab. Weirdest one yet, and hardest to remove and salvage! And it survived 40+ years of "exposure" because it was outdoors even though protected by the cab right in front of it.

luppy · Addicted!

This is the build sheet that was one of the two that I found during the restoration.

North · Guru

Those are the "mini buildsheets" I was referring to, often found in the seats or under the dash. They were for Fisher body so only options that affected the doghouse were included (including transmissions because of shifter position etc

luppy wrote:
This is the build sheet that was one of the two that I found during the restoration.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I'll try to find the one for my 66 396 4 speed Grande Parisienne that I had. As I recall, it had all options for the car on it, including transistor ignition, power windows, posi, tinted glass etc.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

Mine:

Build Sheet.jpg

North · Guru

Interesting, all mine are 69's and they clearly do not list all options, maybe there was a change in procedure. Both our current 2+2's had them on the seatback of one of the buckets btw. Bench seat cars often have them under the seat (visible from under the seat)

dcneric · Poncho Master!

Dave, were you ever able to make a deal on the convertible? Would really be cool to see pics of the car being removed from the sea can.