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I spent a bunch of time on the phone with an archivist that kindly went through their stats book trying to sort out how many of a particular model were built.  Along the way I took some notes, so am sharing that info below.  I don't really know anything other than what I put here!

For 1969:

 

632 Convertible 2+2s 

With the L36, 768X less M40 cars = 10 (So 10 L36 cars with with manual trans)

Total MC1 (3 speed manual) production is 11 across Pontiac and Chev at the plant.

768 bodystyle plus 867 red interior = 4 made

768/37/67 = 28 made with manual trans

12 Manual 2+2s w/ all big blocks (LS1, L36, L66)

LS1 - M40 = 1 2+2 with the LS1 engine

L66 - m40 = 2 built

Total L36+M40 production in the 2+2 is 9 manual trans cars with 390hp engine (plus 1 LS1 and 2 L66 I think)

Less than 10 cars built with M20 & L36 (as above)

 

We could not arrive at any breakout of convertible.  If there was an option code that always appeared (like power top, but that was standard) they might be able to look it up by that, but on the spot I could not think of an option.  Bucket seats were available in the Grande Parisienne, but no convertibles, so I wonder if "Bucket seat cars" in the 2+2 convertible w/ 427 less TH400 could be looked up?

- Dave

 

 



-- Edited by davepl on Thursday 8th of December 2016 03:06:03 PM

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So...I have the ONLY '69 2+2 with the LS1 M-40? I have been told before, that there were around 10 made. That is still not many, but 1 seems crazy.



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It kind of confirms what I remember about Canadian ponchos in my scrapyarding in the 70's and 80's; it seemed like 99% of them had a base 2bbl V8, automatic, hubcaps and an AM radio and power steering and nothing else.

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So...I have the ONLY '69 2+2 with the LS1 M-40? I have been told before, that there were around 10 made. That is still not many, but 1 seems crazy.

 



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gtodrive wrote:

So...I have the ONLY '69 2+2 with the LS1 M-40? I have been told before, that there were around 10 made. That is still not many, but 1 seems crazy.

No, you should read "LS1 - M40" as "All LS1 less M40", meaning all BUT one had the TH400 (M40) transmission I think.  That's how most of these stats work, you take production of one (LS1) and then back out a particular trans to find the leftovers.

So in other words I believe there was only one LS1 with a manual trans in 2+2.  2 manuals with the L66, and 9 manuals with the L36.  All of the rest were automatics.

You might notice that's 13 cars - but back out the one 396 car and you have the magic "Twelve 2+2s with 427 and manual trans" number from the Morley Brown letter.

From previous research they determined that "Less than 10 cars had the M20 and L36", and this morning I put that number at 9.  

Still no breakdown of convertible only.  I'd need to come up with an option to search by, like Power Top or something, but that's standard.  Maybe F41 since that's only available on the 390hp car, but not all of them would have had it.

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Dave

 



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These numbers were posted by 68SD back in November 2008. Not sure where the information came from. I would like to know how many 2+2 convertibles had the LS1. According to this, only 10.

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75336-strato chief 6 cyl  4 door station wagon swing gate
75337-strato chief 6 cyl 2 door hardtop
75369-strato chief 6 cyl 4 door sedan
75436-strato chief 8 cyl 4 door station wagon swing gate
75437-strato chief 8 cyl 2 door hardtop
75469-strato chief 8 cyl 4 door sedan
75536-laurentian 6 cyl 4 door station wagon 2 seat swing gate
75537-laurentian 6 cyl 2 door hardtop
75546-laurentian 6 cyl 4 door station wagon 3 seat swing gate
75569-laurentian 6 cyl 4 door sedan
75636-laurentian 8 cyl 4 door station wagon 2 seat swing gate
75637-laurentian 8 cyl 2 door hardtop  (5389 produced)
75646-laurentian 8 cyl  4 door station wagon 3 seat swing gate
75669-laurentian 8 cyl 4 door sedan
76336-parisienne 6 cyl  4 door 2 seat wagon swing gate
76337-parisienne 6 cyl 2 door hardtop
76339-parisienne 6 cyl 4 door hardtop
76346-parisienne 6 cyl  4 door 3 seat station wagon swing gate
76367-parisienne 6 cyl 2 door convertible
76369-parisienne 6 cyl 4 door sedan
76436-parisienne 8 cyl  4 door 2 seat station wagon swing gate
76437-parisienne 8 cyl 2 door hardtop   (8568 produced) less than 400 with LS1 427
76439-parisienne 8 cyl 4 door hardtop
76446-parisienne 8 cyl  4 door 3 seat station wagon swing gate
76467-parisienne 8 cyl 2 door convertible  (1033 produced)
76469-parisienne 8 cyl 4 door sedan
76636-grande parisienne  8 cyl  4 door 2 seat station wagon swing gate
76637-grande parisienne 8 cyl 2 door hardtop
76639-grande parisienne 8 cyl 4 door hardtop  (1173 produced)
76645-grande parisienne 8 cyl  4 ddor 3 seat station wagon swing gate
76867- 2+2  8cyl  2 door convertible  (639 produced) 10 with LS1
76837- 2+2 8 cyl 2 door hardtop   (1943 produced)



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this is all I got :)

 

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Is the 427 Warwick Blue convertible still around? Looks awesome!

Does that mean 2+2s didn't even get the clock standard?

 



-- Edited by davepl on Thursday 8th of December 2016 07:51:50 PM

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Dave, you didn't happen to get any regular Parisienne info did you?

I still have the cowl tag from the red LS1 M40 convertible that I scrapped. I know the VIN but I never removed that tag from the car when I scrapped it, and I'm glad I didn't, someone would likely have it "back on the road" by now, if you know what I mean... (they would have offered me so much for the tags I would have caved in and sold them)

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From what I can read on the 69 Brochure only the Grand Parisienne came with a clock as standard equpment.

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