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66 327 sd wrote:

(4 speed carpet might be Scotchguarded so as to deal with the increased tears of joy dispersed by the driver?...)

       I don't think the owner is a cry baby .   lol .  



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I'm currently measuring my 66 to put the 4 speed conversion in. Here's what the correct hump looks like. This is an original, not a repro, on loan from a member here. Nothing at all like the 68-69 hump as you can see by the red carpet picture.

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Yup, that 66 hump is way smaller than a 68-69.

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Picture of a 68/69 4 spd hump . 

4 speed hump and column .jpg4 spd bench boot and ring.jpg

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Night and day, those two humps.

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i remember this dance with the wagon, it was custom made and I still had to do some molding to get it too fit040.JPG



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65wagon wrote:

i remember this dance with the wagon, it was custom made and I still had to do some molding to get it too fit040.JPG




That car is a factory 4 speed, right? I'm surprised that the shifter isn't centred in the opening.

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That's because it's not on the transmission. It's on the crossmember, aside from the trans, and rubber-isolated from it.  At least that's how mine is.

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davepl wrote:

That's because it's not on the transmission. It's on the crossmember, aside from the trans, and rubber-isolated from it.  At least that's how mine is.

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-- Edited by davepl on Sunday 11th of February 2018 08:49:31 PM

I believe 1968 and 1969 had this style mounted on he crossmember but not prior to 68. I seem to recall a knowledgeable friend complaining about the 68 crossmember  design, saying the flex between the trans and cross member would cause the gears to get stuck during hard shifting? Just my recollection. 



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no its not that , its mounted on the tail shaft, but using a made up plate and a redesigned hurst shifter, remember I used to race this girl and I hate missing shifts at almost 8000 grand , ive got the original shifter just don't like it



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65wagon wrote:

no its not that , its mounted on the tail shaft, but using a made up plate and a redesigned hurst shifter, remember I used to race this girl and I hate missing shifts at almost 8000 grand , ive got the original shifter just don't like it




Oh, I should have caught that. Now that I look at the picture I see the adjustable stops on the shifter which is obviously not a stock shifter.

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And yes, the shifters with the round handle and the reverse lockout trigger under the knob never mounted to the crossmember on B body, they were always mounted to the tailhousing.

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my rag has a newer Muncie shifter im not thrilled with it but I guess ill never run it that hard its only got a 327 in it



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Do you mean the flat stick Muncie shifter like Dave would have in his 69?

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no the handle looks the same as my wagon but it slants back more for the console, the body is the old style Muncie with the lock out



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davepl wrote:

That's because it's not on the transmission. It's on the crossmember, aside from the trans, and rubber-isolated from it.  At least that's how mine is.

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-- Edited by davepl on Sunday 11th of February 2018 08:49:31 PM



I know I had heard of this but not sure I've seen a picture before. So they bolt it to the crossmember and then run a brace to the middle of the Muncie case as well?

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no it only bolts to the tail shaft with a small adapting plate which pushes the shifter forward so its centered in the hole the handle is a similar version to my bench ill post some pics when I get time



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The one in the picture? I see a brace attaching it to the crossmember. Or are you talking about the one in your 65?

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Carl Stevenson wrote:


That car is a factory 4 speed, right? I'm surprised that the shifter isn't centred in the opening.

 ... but didn't they pretty well hack out the shifter holes with a fire axewink at the factory? The hole's finish wasn't an exact science.



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Yeah, I was scared for a second when I first saw mine. "I thought I had a rare car and now it turns out the car was made into a four speed by a couple of drunk teenagers with a sawzall". But none of them are very tidy.


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here is a pic of the 65 handle for carl005.JPG



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