I agree, Carl, it should be the case. I don't know how quickly the turnaround is, or how well-known it is within the hobby in general, so maybe it's no issue at all in Canada. Like you say, hopefully most who will be investing in high dollar cars will be aware, and for somebody buying a $4000 Acadian or whatever, the paper trail will be less important.
Too bad about your friend - hopefully he was still able to enjoy the car after taking the loss.
hey Carl, as far as 65s go listing options on the tags is hit and miss, the wagon has nothing not even the tranny, but it lists power back window, the interior code is not right because it was cloth not vinyl, could have been added or ordered , im not worried because I know the car, and been doing this long enough to spot a fake
from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag
from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag
I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.
I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
If it were me I wouldn't worry about whether it's correct, I'd have some fun with it - with something like "427 Race Special" or whatever... make 'em scratch their heads when they look at the tag! :)
I think fixing a "write off" 1987 Grand National properly is a different ball game from all the new unibody frameless cars made today. Hard to be sure a fixed unibody is "as new" and if it has a weak spot, it may not show up until the next accident.
I feel the same way about flood cars, if my 63 was flooded, it has such little wiring and no sensors, you can actually fix it. A modern car cannot be fixed with all the electronics attached to everything.
Carl, I wouldn't bother changing the trim tag, so few people will have the knowledge to pick up the difference and it would be nice to meet people who actually knew the difference.
I'd be more likely to put a different trim tag on mine which has 409 and ST10 on it, just to make my car "correct".
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63 Parisienne sport coupe (The Big GTO), black, maroon interior, 409 4 speed; former owner of a 59 El Camino, 63 Corvette SWC, 62 Chev Bel Air SC. 1963- Pontiac top selling car in Canada
Mahone Bay, NS Still not old enough to need an automatic
from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag
I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.
I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.
mine has the hole in the floor and no tranny or engine designation, one offs or low production cars seem to follow that pattern
from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag
I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.
I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.
mine has the hole in the floor and no tranny or engine designation, one offs or low production cars seem to follow that pattern
No M20 on your tag?
Interesting. I've contacted 2 guys with original big block 66 4 speed cars and both guys say tag says M20.
Just another reason that 66 Pontiacs are superior to 65 Pontiacs...
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Interesting. I've contacted 2 guys with original big block 66 4 speed cars and both guys say tag says M20.
Just another reason that 66 Pontiacs are superior to 65 Pontiacs...
I am not familiar with the car of 65 wagon's or even exactly what it is, but from what Fred (68sd) taught me when researching all the B body data tags I collected for him to post, the general synopsis was that if there was no "M" RPO code (M35, 38 40 or M20) stamped in the tag, it would be a 3-on-the-tree car.... unless proven, that should be the answer here....
I tried to find a pic of that '64 Impala 4-speed wagon that had M20 stamped into the tag that I personally took but it escapes me at the moment..... so we know that '64's did stamp M20 in the tag so '65 and up would carry over.
Found them...
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Friday 28th of September 2018 10:34:10 AM
Well? Another theory shot to heck... This was bugging me so I decided to look at my '66 Strato, my '66 Laurentian Safari, and I have the remanence of a '65 Parisienne Safari here as well. The Strato is a three speed but the others are powerglide cars and likely 283's.. looks like I learned something new again today... the only thing than the M20, I do remember posting a '66 Caprice with M40... I will have to be more aware.
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Friday 28th of September 2018 03:36:12 PM
So much for that theory.... Weird. But I guess a Powerglide didn't require any body modification so that's why it's not there. M40 TH400 and M20 4 speed would both require modification to make them fit, so maybe only those 2 show up on the tag.
And on a slightly different vein, I guess it would seem then that 69 for the engine on the tag in full size, 66 for the engine on the tag in Beaumont. That is assuming they have an optional engine.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Beauty! One thing I find is that the '69s carried more options on the trim tag than earlier cars. BTW my '67 Chevelle just says M35 for options. Factory AM radio with front antenna was installed on the assembly line, so no alerts on the trim tag. If it had a rear antenna it would be a different story, as it would say U73 because Fisher Body would have already installed the antenna lead. 327s don't have an alert, they just have to check the bill of materials for the 327 option. Now a 396 did have some chassis differences in terms of rear bracing and also front brake line routing, steering knuckle and stabilizer differences that may have come into play during the body drop. Transmission makes a difference as to which side of the tunnel they open for the speedo cable. As for the Powerglide as referenced in the assembly manual, the terminology they use is "body as purchased", i.e. the completed body with glass & mid body moldings, less front seat & dash. There was a splash shield on Powerglide cars. I have to check to see if it is mounted on the firewall tunnel area. If so, and Fisher Body had to make provision, then M35 would be on the tag.
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Cam, Toronto.
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I have the Pontiac Historic Services print out on my 65 Ventura. Picture of computer card and data sheet for my vin. Proves car is a 421 tri power HO car with TI ignition. Car is bench seat auto on the column which no one would ever bother faking. They would make up a floor shift console bucket seat 2+2.
Shrike said
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MADE IN CANADA Reproduction/Replacement trim tag.
Who made that one ?
TrimTags said they cant do the offset lines like the Canadian tags had
Beauty! One thing I find is that the '69s carried more options on the trim tag than earlier cars. BTW my '67 Chevelle just says M35 for options. Factory AM radio with front antenna was installed on the assembly line, so no alerts on the trim tag. If it had a rear antenna it would be a different story, as it would say U73 because Fisher Body would have already installed the antenna lead. 327s don't have an alert, they just have to check the bill of materials for the 327 option. Now a 396 did have some chassis differences in terms of rear bracing and also front brake line routing, steering knuckle and stabilizer differences that may have come into play during the body drop. Transmission makes a difference as to which side of the tunnel they open for the speedo cable. As for the Powerglide as referenced in the assembly manual, the terminology they use is "body as purchased", i.e. the completed body with glass & mid body moldings, less front seat & dash. There was a splash shield on Powerglide cars. I have to check to see if it is mounted on the firewall tunnel area. If so, and Fisher Body had to make provision, then M35 would be on the tag.
Hi Cam you sound like the guy that would know but I've always been puzzled as to what options show up on the cowl tag and why they are there. They are usually not a complete listing so what was their purpose? From what you say I assume that the tags were on the body as it was brought to the assembly line to alert the workers to install the right pieces that the body was set up to receive based on what was on the overall order sheet. The rest of the options on the order sheet would have been strictly assembly line stuff so don.t show up on the tag. I think that's what you said but i guess I'm just restating it to see if I understand. Thanks.
