It's at a private yard in Southern Alberta. Likely too far gone - notice the missing windshield but was sporting Ralley II wheels on all 4 corners. I only looked at it for a minute, and while I thought it had a vinyl roof it's actually textured paint. I'm aiming to return next spring and can take a closer look.
When saying to far gone. Would the frame be rotted too? If frame is okay. And the ownership is there I may be interested..
Tough to say about the frame out west here. Sometimes car is rotten, but frame ok. Sometimes frame is rotten, but body ok. The holes in the frame right behind front wheels lets all the dirt get into the frame, and sometimes it holds moisture and rots the frame, sometimes not. With the open windshield I'd expect snow & rain have gotten into the passenger compartment rotting the front floorboards.
We don't have ownership or titles here in Alberta, cars are sold with Bill of Sale.
Can you register a car at motor vehicle in Alberta with a bill of sale?
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63 Parisienne sport coupe (The Big GTO), black, maroon interior, 409 4 speed; former owner of a 59 El Camino, 63 Corvette SWC, 62 Chev Bel Air SC. 1963- Pontiac top selling car in Canada
Mahone Bay, NS Still not old enough to need an automatic
Ya I dont know how it would work down here trying to get the title in Ontario. We have to sign the back of our ownership when we sell our cars and include a bill of sale from the MTO. Even our Bill of Sales have to come from the ministry now under a UVIP package. They wont take just written notes/contracts bill of sales in Ontario.
They don't in Manitoba either with the exception of Alberta cars, since that's all they have to offer us when we buy a car there. I bought a car out of Alberta this summer and the bill of sale was all I needed, everything was fine.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
So, hypothetically you could see an old car that you like that's been sitting abandoned, flat-deck it out of there, write up your own bill of sale, and it's yours? Or somebody could do the same, and sell it to you? Presumably the govt keeps track of ownership by plating?
It's just different than what I'm used to, where you can't register a car unless all the paperwork is in order - ownership papers (title) signed over, owner fills out and sends in their copy independently, plus bill of sale (and then they charge you sales tax on the assumed value of the car, no matter what your bill of sale says).
In Ontario if your local service Ontario has a commissioner of oaths you can swear an affidavit that you own the car and receive an ownership. You would need an appraisal for value and a bill of sale is helpful but not necessarily needed. By swearing the oath you assume responsibility if the car is stolen etc. The only problem would be if the vehicle is in the system and previously branded as salvage. I have done this a few times, but not in about five years. I havent heard of any changes other than the branded vehicle program.
ok guys, I didn't think this thread would turn into a big debate on how Alberta doesn't have titles, and uses Bill of Sale. I sold Hillar Pinna a 70 2+2 hdtp, and all we used was the Bill of Sale form provided by the Gov't of Alberta. It's quite generic, but has spaces to list sellers & buyers names, addresses, form of ID's, info on the car & method payment. I don't think it even has a Gov't of Alberta logo on it or anything. Hillar took that and his safety inspection report to the Ontario DMV, paid his tax and away he went.
I also remember when I bought the 454 Laurentian from Hillar's estate, that I attained insurance for it prior to owning it. Everyone on here thought that was very odd, but it's the norm here.
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I havent tried to register a car here on a bill of sale, the cars I bought were previously registered in NS. If previously on file, they want signoff buy the previous registered owner. I knew Saskatchewan was bill of sale to get a vehicle registered, but not Alberta. MC, Ive never had a problem with the sale taxes on old cars, just paid tax on what was on the bill of sale.
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63 Parisienne sport coupe (The Big GTO), black, maroon interior, 409 4 speed; former owner of a 59 El Camino, 63 Corvette SWC, 62 Chev Bel Air SC. 1963- Pontiac top selling car in Canada
Mahone Bay, NS Still not old enough to need an automatic
No debate. Was just curious as I would fear shipping a car all the way down here for our MTO to decline transferring it in my name or what not. 1 MTO told me to drive 6 hours back to a seller to get a UVIP package because they would not accept the sellers bill of sale.
To get back on topic, if you do go down there in the spring. I wouldnt mind to hear your thoughts on it (if frame is good, etc.)
MC, Ive never had a problem with the sale taxes on old cars, just paid tax on what was on the bill of sale.
Hi DonSSDD,
You must have paid "fair value" for your cars, or you just got lucky and had a nice clerk at Access NS. I'm sure it happens more often than not. All I was saying is that their policy is as follows:
How the tax is applied You will be charged taxes based on the purchase price or the vehicles fair value: whichever is greater. EXAMPLE You buy a car privately for$1,000but the fair value is $1,500. You will pay tax on$1,500(1,500 x 15% = $225) when you register the car with the province. Fair value The value of the vehicle is determined using the Canadian Red Book wholesale listing price. If a Canadian Red Book listing is not available, you will pay tax on your purchase price, and it will be reviewed by the Provincial Tax Commission. If the price you paid is less than fair value, you will be asked to pay the additional tax. The Canadian Red Book is one of the standard tools used by the vehicle industry across the country. It provides the average wholesale price of vehicles. Appraisals If you feel the fair value is too high, you can, at your own cost, seek an independent appraisal by a registered used vehicle appraiser or a licensed motor vehicle dealer. The completed appraisal must be submitted within 30 days of registering your vehicle. If the appraisal shows that youve paid too much tax, you will receive a refund.
