Actually Ray,

It may not fail..

In 2004 I had an 89 Buick LeSabre T Type...it was chipped, and well maintained.  One day at work Environment Canada showed up to do free emissions testing.  So I brought the car in, the guy looked at it and laughed..I asked what was so funny..he said.."You don't expect this will pass do you?"  I said "why won't it?" "Cause it's old" he said.  So I told him to run the test..

He did the test once..and then started playing with his instruments..I asked if there was a problem..he said "Ya it passed, there must be something wrong with the test equipment.."  So I asked him, why is it not possible for an older car that is well maintained to pass this test?  Is it rigged against them?"  He said no, but because of how old the car is it shouldn't pass...So I told him to do his diagnostics on his equipment and then try again.  He did and it passed a second time...

He appologised for his comment and said he learned something that day..not to knock old cars!!

Blackheart4355 wrote:

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Actually Ray,

 

It may not fail..

 

In 2004 I had an 89 Buick LeSabre T Type...it was chipped, and well maintained.  One day at work Environment Canada showed up to do free emissions testing.  So I brought the car in, the guy looked at it and laughed..I asked what was so funny..he said.."You don't expect this will pass do you?"  I said "why won't it?" "Cause it's old" he said.  So I told him to run the test..

He did the test once..and then started playing with his instruments..I asked if there was a problem..he said "Ya it passed, there must be something wrong with the test equipment.."  So I asked him, why is it not possible for an older car that is well maintained to pass this test?  Is it rigged against them?"  He said no, but because of how old the car is it shouldn't pass...So I told him to do his diagnostics on his equipment and then try again.  He did and it passed a second time...

 

He appologised for his comment and said he learned something that day..not to knock old cars!!

 

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The Ontario road side test is a visual and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what engine emits. It is against the law to alter any emmission equipment. 

You are correct on the actual testing for engine emmisions on the dyno. My '93 Fleetwood passed for another two years in October. As the Tech tore the sheet off the printer he said "you're lucky it passed" and when I asked him why he said some stupid thing like you experienced about old cars shouldn't pass.

At first he didn't want to do the test because the VIN was not in the data base, but of course needing the test to get a license plate renewed I insisted that he call Queen Park and find out what was going on. The computer in the test centre was taken over remotely by the Queens Park person and the data for my car was loaded enabling the test to be run. I guess they never expected such an old and outdated car to show up for testing, let alone pass.

73SC wrote:

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68 427 wrote:

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I THINK THESE VISUAL CHECKS IN ONT. ARE A JOKE. IF THE CAR IS CLEAN, WHO CARES ABOUT THE EMISSIONS EQUIP.

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 No argument here however these are the laws we have to live by. Our dear departed friend Hillar would always go in a rant about these laws.

Hillar's 96 Z/28 with the 396 was so not legal but he always managed to get the car to pass, and as far as I know the car never once went to a test centre ! We should say the VIN always passed.  Herein lies the biggest joke, someone like Hillar, a lawyer with a 1/4 Million dollar salary could always get his car passed if you know what I mean

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 It's not WHAT you know but WHO you know! 

I have a feeling that this saying would apply to this situation. 

I would just like to get this post back on track.

The LT1 is in my opinion a very good engine with plenty of power. GM used it as a transition engine to the LS series so it was not really in production all that long. This does not make it a piece of useless scrap iron. Nonetheles GM used it in many performance applications including the severe use Police Package. Talk to any police officer with enough years under his belt and he will tell you that Caprices with this set up are among the most favoured police cars of all time. It powered Corvettes, Camaros, Firebirds and of course the King of the Hill Cadillac Fleetwood.

The point of the post is Jonathan's question, primarily should he use this engine in his 1967 Pontiac project.

The answer is empahtically NO. Not because the engine is weak or useless but because of the circumstances. Jonathan is a 17 year old grade 12 student who is to be commended for hanging out with a bunch of old know it alls. He has worked tirelessly on his car. He has a small block V8 in the car which now runs well after obtaining a good Quadrajet from one of the old know it alls. Many other old know it alls have contributed parts to him as well. Jonathan has no income of consequence to get involved with rebuilding an LT1 and furthermore making it compliant with the laws in Ontario. The advice he recieved earlier on, that is to sell the parts and block of the LT1 and use the money to complete his project was and continues to be sound.