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RE: 1968-1969 McKinnon Industries V8 engines


GLHS60 wrote:

Studebaker!!

There were some Studebaker diehards in my area growing up so I had an appreciation for them.
Dependable, economical with more rear leg room than just about any other car!!
I remember one specifically, a black sedan with a Skybolt Six 194 engine, and I think it was yellow??

Does your 1979 Avanti still run a Studebaker design chassis ?? What engine??

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Randy


 Yes Randy it has the Studebaker Lark convertible chassis with added outer torque boxes, commonly called hog troughs.

They are very rust prone due to a lack of factory paint or undercoating.

The engine is a factory installed 350 Chev. L48 model I believe. Same rating as the base 79 corvette. Which wasn't much. Turbo Hydro 350 3 speed automatic to a Dana 44 Twin Trac differential.

 



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Chevrolet did a low-compression (8.75:1) 327 with a 2-barrel for 1967. It was the base and exclusive V8 engine for the Camaro. A low-compression (8.75:1)  4-barrel version rated at 240 gross h.p. was used in the ½, ¾ & 1-ton Chevrolet & Canadian GMC trucks for 1967 & 1968. It was also offered in 1967 in the big cars but only for the Police Cars. That was also used in Australia. For 1968 that engine was a new offering in the civilian full-sized Chevrolets (Biscayne, Bel Air, Impala, Caprice) plus the  Chevelles & Beaumonts as well and was now rated at 250-gross h.p. through the magic of marketing. Meanwhile the Camaro 327 with the 2-barrel (210 h.p.) continued but now was the new base V8 engine in the 1968 Canadian Pontiacs instead of the 307 like Chevrolet. In the big Pontiacs in 1968 the engine was rated at 210 h.p like the Camaro. The Camaro continued to used that 210-h.p. 327 into the 1969 model year, but sometime early in 1969 it was dropped in favor of the 200-horse 307. For 1969 the Canadian Pontiac big cars switched from the 327 2-barrel to the 350 2-barrel rated at 250 gross horsepower.

 

I hope you are not taking the 1969 Canadian GMC specs from the brochure posted at the Old Car Brochure website; it is wrong as it is actually a 1968 brochure. For 1969 ALL 327s were replaced with 350 versions except for the Camaro base V8 as noted, plus the 327 2-barrel became the new base V8 in the full-size Chevrolet for 1969 (curiously rated at 235-h.p. vs. 210 for the Camaro). Blame that on politics. The optional 255-horse 350 was new for 1969 and was a 9:1 compression 4-barrel. Replacing the 250-horse 327 it was designated LM1 and was offered on Chevelles, Novas, Camaros, big Chevrolets, plus Beaumonts & Acadians. It was dropped mid-year in favor of a 9:1 compression 350 2-barrel known as the L65 that had been the base V8 for Canadian Pontiac big cars since the very start of 1969 production. Literally the LM1 4-barrel and L65 2-barrel were the same engines in every way except for the carburetor & intake manifold, plus the LM1 seemed to get the stronger drivetrain components shared with the high compression L48 while the L65 got the lighter duty components (Saginaw transmissions & 10-bolt rear differentials generally).

 

In Canada the Mackinnon engines did not come with smog pumps even as an option through 1967; after that they were assigned the same way as in 49-states in the U.S. (California was always the exception).

 

There were physical differences in some Mackinnon engines, but for the engines in question during the period specified there really were not. I dont know about casting numbers in particular, but functionally what I have said applies.

 


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GLHS60 wrote:

I don't mean to sound argumentative but the H.P. ratings were what served the purpose at the time. Little tune up details were not what made the difference.

You mostly proved this with your LMI at 275 H.P. and the 1971 L48 at 275 H.P. almost the exact same engine as you noted.

Our LM1 at 255 H.P and 1971 L48 at 270 H.P.

While you had a 250 H.P. 327, a 4bbl 350 at 255 H.P. wouldn't make sense but 275 H.P. fits nicely.

You didn't need a 255 H.P. rating but our class racers did, along with the Muncie, after the weak Saginaw the year earlier with the L30. We were dealing with under rated 275 H.P. 340 Darts on the strip!!

As to accessory bolt holes, I'm certain no 1968 engine had them, are you suggesting your 1968 engines did??

I literally owned hundreds of SBC powered vehicles back in the day when labor was cheap and parts expensive. I made extra cash removing any Qjets and intakes, Fuelie heads and any heads with accessory bolt holes. I replaced them all with 283 Power Pack heads and 2bbls and sold the Qjets and Fuelie heads to performance guys and the bolt hole heads to machine shops for cores as they were in high demand so I got to know what I was looking for.

The illustrated engines in the G.M link you provided do appear to show bolt holes but they are renderings not actual pictures.

Strange, our engines are rated at LB/FT of torque but are yours at FT/LB??

Great info on the origins of the Holden V8!! I appreciate the insight although I still have a mental block with the rear mounted distributor. I can't think of another period engine with the oil pump and distributor at opposite ends. The Holden seems to share some design features with the Buick 350 style V8 with it's excellent cylinder heads and crappy front oil pump. Inch for inch the Holden seems very strong power wise!!

What year did you first get Chevy V8's and Holden V8's??

Do any of your Holden cars share any chassis design with any of ours?? Your beautiful Monaro SS 308 seems to have some 1968 Nova styling cues but what type chassis is it built on.

Thanks !!
Randy





Randy

Here is a link to a fast 308. These races are on Friday and Saturday just gone, the Touring Car Masters are a support  race to the Bathurst 1000 V8 Supercars which is on right now. The yellow and blue car is a GMH LH Torana and is running a 308 Holden V8. The one that crashes in the first link is a 302 SBC. You'll recognise all the Mustangs, Camaros, AMC Javelin etc. But there is some Australian XA and XB Ford Falcons in there too and the bright greeen car is a HQ Holden Monaro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5itSmkZoIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZDb5HSpyeo

The class is a controlled class with minumim weights etc. Here is the rules for 2014 if you have any interest.

http://docs.cams.com.au/Manual/SportingRegulations/2014/2014%20Australian%20Touring%20Car%20Masters%20Series%20Sporting%20and%20Technical%20Regulations%20-%20Version%201.pdf

 



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Appreciate the links Byron.

Looks like great racing and the 308 sure can perform !!

Thanks
Randy

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