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Big block conversion snag


always gotta be one thats a cow to sort out. My water pump is too close to the radiator.

I have searched the site for big block conversion stories, avidly reading Todds story on progress. I concentrated on the part of the thread concerning water pumps, pulleys and power steering pumps.

to be honest I start getting lost a little because

A-big blocks never came out in aussie cars and

B-all the cars other than impala you talk about which had big blocks never made it to Oz and

C-big block bracketry parts are hard to come by in Oz especially if you don't know what you want looks like.

So, I have to give my existing tall water pump the flick and buy a short water pump. Here's the issue, all sorts of brackets for other ancilliaries hang off the tall water pump, whereas the short pump does not have the tags and boltholes to bolt my existing bracketry from. Obviously now I need to change how the power steering pump etc bolts onTo the motor. AC as well? What will they look like? The pulley alignment will also change I think. I want to keep my aircon. Pulleys are also going to need changing I guess. Alternator position change? Crank pulley set too?

How much needs to change? Pics of the correct parts would be good. Thanks as always for your advice in advance.

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ARE YOU TRYING TO RUN A CLUTCH FAN ... to keep it easy you mite have to run a 4 blade fan

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694279 wrote:

ARE YOU TRYING TO RUN A CLUTCH FAN ... to keep it easy you mite have to run a 4 blade fan


 Was planning on thermofan. Have had real success with them.



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I see with the alternator, you are using a long water pump.....A shorter water pump is available, but your alternator goes to the other side and your fancy pulleys would be the wrong ones. I would go with a flex fan and a shroud

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Yes, you will need to convert to the original style brackets and pulleys(65-68 396-427) as far as I know. I don't know of any other way to change that. It is all a bolt on for your engine, but certainly it's an added expense.

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I'll try to find pictures for you later today.

Actually,when I think about it, 66GrandeGuy would be your best help. He has factory a/c and his setup would be identical to what you need.

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How about a pusher/puller electric fan set-up? My '68 Grande with a 396 has A/C still in place as well if pics are needed...



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The way I see it, there are two options. Source all the parts associated with a short water pump / AC combination or keep your existing bracketry and install dual electric pusher fans. If you opt for the electric fan option make sure to get fans designed to be pusher fans when installing in front of the radiator. If going with a engine driven fan there are a number of vendors that sell brackets for short pumps on big blocks just pricing may be a bit prohibitive.

Good Luck.

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Do you have a spacer between the rad and rad support cradle?

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It looks like you've got 11 cm between the radiator and the water pump pulley.  How wide is your electric fan?  If too wide, I'd suggest moving to a pusher electric fan in front of the radiator.  Or go to a multi-blade flex fan mounted conventionally. 

Changing everything to a short water pump will be a bit of a pain, as it will effect your crank pulley, and also alternator, power steering pump and a/c mounting and their associated pulleys.



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I'm running 2 puller fans on my 455 Pontiac.. Works well...takes no space.

cheaper option than sourcing all the short water pump  stuff.



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2qwik2c wrote:

Do you have a spacer between the rad and rad support cradle?


 no, i left that out.



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

Yes, you will need to convert to the original style brackets and pulleys(65-68 396-427) as far as I know. I don't know of any other way to change that. It is all a bolt on for your engine, but certainly it's an added expense.


 the motor came out of a 72 chev wagon. Finding original 65-68 brackets and pulleys could be difficult in Oz. will investigate but push fans seem a good option.....



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67Poncho wrote:

How about a pusher/puller electric fan set-up? My '68 Grande with a 396 has A/C still in place as well if pics are needed...


Thank you,  A couple of pics would be appreciated



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

I'll try to find pictures for you later today.

Actually,when I think about it, 66GrandeGuy would be your best help. He has factory a/c and his setup would be identical to what you need.


 Thank you.



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koolconvertible wrote:

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Yes, you will need to convert to the original style brackets and pulleys(65-68 396-427) as far as I know. I don't know of any other way to change that. It is all a bolt on for your engine, but certainly it's an added expense.


 the motor came out of a 72 chev wagon. Finding original 65-68 brackets and pulleys could be difficult in Oz. will investigate but push fans seem a good option.....





Those brackets are enough tough to find on this side of the pond.

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Thanks for your help! I appreciate it. Will hunt around on local forums for leads on parts sourcing for period corrct pulleys, brackets etc but might be expensive.My motor came out of a 72 chev wagon...will investigate fan options.



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I believe all bbc corvettes (65-74)used a short water pump. That may increase your odds of finding brackets.3992077 is the gm water pump no.



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Here's what I did..   Just cause I think it s a race car ! 

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if there is a  Shot Over jet boat tour company there you could check with them. Auto wrecker here sends a C can full of big block chevs when they get enough to send. they may have pulleys and brackets on the engines when they are sent.



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67curves wrote:

if there is a  Shot Over jet boat tour company there you could check with them. Auto wrecker here sends a C can full of big block chevs when they get enough to send. they may have pulleys and brackets on the engines when they are sent.


 I can find out but the shotover jet boats are huge in new zealand! Maybe my kiwi mates can help if i luckout! I do have a cunning plan at the moment....will keep posted on the outcome...



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pontiax wrote:

I believe all bbc corvettes (65-74)used a short water pump. That may increase your odds of finding brackets.3992077 is the gm water pump no.


 Went to check my mates. he bough a 68 moredoor impala which included a big block. He's just installed it. Turns out its numbers make it a corvette 427. What a buy. Cost him 10000 which is cheap for an oz buy. He has all the short pump style gear on his so now I know what I'm looking for. 



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Sorry I completely missed this thread till now.  Anything I can do to help?



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66 Grande guy wrote:

 Anything I can do to help?





Yes, stay more current with the posts on Canadian Poncho! biggrin

Just kidding, I'm sure Philip will be by shortly, he spends more time on here than many of us regulars....

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poncho62 wrote:

I see with the alternator, you are using a long water pump.....A shorter water pump is available, but your alternator goes to the other side and your fancy pulleys would be the wrong ones. I would go with a flex fan and a shroud


 ..........I have this on a 66 Impala 427 and a 63 Belair 409 and no cooling problems with either car......in fact had to

put 180 thermostat in the 427 to get some heat.......the 409 also runs cool and those motors 11:1 always run hot but this

flex fan and the correct shrouding will cure your ills.......and they run very quiet

 

http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/flx-1818



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