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And Kevin (70_SS_ACADIAN) you could pick these up the next time you cross. They come from Ontario, New York, just down the road from Rochester.

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Carl, not sure why you are so worried about the bushing not being 100% brass... I don't believe you are one of those clutch pedal foot rest type of guys... and only a summer driven car.. the bushing is there for support, starting off and shifting. (as we all know) Wouldn't be a lot of usage, really.

All the front wheel drive J, N bodies never had a bushing and the input just lodged into the butt end of the crank.. There were NEVER any issues with those... and I am sure we both know how all the walks of life drove them... I wouldn't be worried at all about it and I was the guy that worked on those on a daily basis.... JMO... 



-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of January 2019 12:58:30 PM

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I've seen the destruction at our dealership and I removed a very hammered out magnetic bushing from my 427 crank. I guess there's too much evidence against them for me to want one.

Maybe not the first time I've been tilted a bit much too the anal side on a particular issue...! But to me, if I can get a good bushing, why not get it? Although I should add, in my mind there's not doubt the pilot bearing is still the worst choice.

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Thursday 17th of January 2019 06:18:43 PM

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I sure hope this guy isn't serious or else hope it's a typo!

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

I've seen the destruction at our dealership and I removed a very hammered out magnetic bushing from my 427 crank. I guess there's too much evidence against them for me to want one.

Maybe not the first time I've been tilted a bit much too the anal side on a particular issue...! But to me, if I can get a good bushing, why not get it? Although I should add, in my mind there's not doubt the pilot bearing is still the worst choice.

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Thursday 17th of January 2019 06:18:43 PM

For sure at the dealer...  we all are aware of those people that totally destroy components that in the real world anyone with a grain of common sense would never do... people driving with bad habits not knowing the grief being caused or intentionally causing it... we are talking about the driver that knows the difference... I have ran my '70 2-dr Parisienne since '91 with the bearing while swapping 4 to 5-speed and I bet that one is fine... even though I have seen on a particular 6.5 diesel go through 4 clutches in 8 years... and I know the guy, so it isn't a parts problem in this case.... all about common sense... 

I will have to check my $4 oil impregnated sintered bushing that's in my '53 Bel-Air one of these days... It's been in there since '99... 350 and 4-gear Saginaw...

$137US.... LOOOOL I want what that guys smoking...

 

 



-- Edited by 67Poncho on Thursday 17th of January 2019 07:54:15 PM

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I like platinum. 



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Every time I used a bearing in there it started making noise within a few thousand miles whenever you push the clutch in. Factory style sintered brass bushings are your best bet.

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How tight should the pilot bearing fit? I have one that slides easily in and out of the back of the crank. Should it be a bit more snug or is it or is the bushing pouched?

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You should have to press it in. You can slide it in and out of the crank without tools?


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ROSIES CAR wrote:

How tight should the pilot bearing fit? I have one that slides easily in and out of the back of the crank. Should it be a bit more snug or is it or is the bushing pouched?

 Is it new???and you have the right bushing? As Carl says pressed in.

 



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Yes, if you have the bushing that was made for converting an auto trans (earlier years, not sure when this changed) to a manual it may be too small OD if you have a later years crank where the bore is the same on the automatics and the standards. I am guessing the change happened around 1968? Just a guess though....

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Yes, Dorman says 1967 and older use a special bushing when converting auto to manual.

https://www.dormanproducts.com/p-18310-690-034.aspx



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